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The Gruden Files - Year Two

An interesting piece of trivia.

In 2013, Jay Gruden's offense destroyed Rex Ryan's defense in a game Cincinnati won 49-9. It was a game Ryan called "probably the worst defeat of my career."

"I would say that absolutely surprised me," coach Rex Ryan said of his defense's collapse. "We got beat in every coverage known to man. Five touchdown passes? I don't know how many times that's happened in my lifetime. Not very often."

Dalton's five touchdown passes gave him 11 in his last three games, his best such span. He's the first quarterback to throw for five TDs against the Jets since Dan Marino in 1988.

It was Cincinnati's most lopsided victory during coach Marvin Lewis' 11 seasons.

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Fast forward to 2015 and we just got his brother Rob Ryan fired. That family hates us.
 
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It only became Jay Gruden's offense in the playoffs?
 
Oh, no. But it's when people decide to use jay as the offense and bring up the playoffs that I go along with it. Only here do people think the coordinators run the show.

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Not so sure about that, Mike. The "hot" coordinators get head coaching jobs every year for a reason.
 
Not so sure about that, Mike. The "hot" coordinators get head coaching jobs every year for a reason.
That I agree with. Most also fizzle out or end up struggling for years.

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True enough, though I think that applies to all new head coaches, no matter where they come from. Good ones are the exception.
 
Many of the local media guys are touting Gruden as a pretty damn good designer of offensive passing schemes but they're also not ready to quantify his acumen as a head coach.
Think for now that's where a lot of us stand.
 
I think the rest of the season tells us a lot about Gruden. If he can finish strong, even if we don't make the playoffs, and end up on a positive note for the next season, I think he stays and hopefully we can build on that. And I honestly think one reason Scot was so pumped at the end of the game on Sunday was that Gruden finally really committed to the run and it paid the dividends that Scot believed it would. If Gruden continues that commitment, even if we don't make the playoffs or win a lot of games, I suspect Scot will have a more positive opinion of him and will be more inclined to keep him.

If Gruden reverts to his dependence on airing it out and shows that when things start going South at all he will abandon the run, I think there's a good chance he's gone, unless we do a whole lot of winning. Scot's formula seems to be physical, smashmouth football, and I think he wants to see Gruden put that into place.
 
Could be, but Scot must also realize that if Gruden is that good in the pass game he shouldn't stifle it.

Not saying depend on it but somewhere in the middle where both elements of Jay and Scot's vision and forte become go to's.
The smash mouth run first also protected the QB position which neither had a handle on.

Both are still learning each other and from what I hear is Gruden agrees totally with the big tough guy vision but he still gets balls to Crowder, who is a little tough guy.

I think both just want football players with smarts and want-to.

Scot was pretty pumped after the Tampa game too, might be more of a getting the win type thing regardless of how the game revealed itself.
 
we have 3 good ass running backs. I just don't see any scenario where they get 15 carries between them and we throw it 40 times with a new(ish) QB. Even if our blocking isn't as stellar or we aren't getting what we want from one of them...I remember Gibbs would bang on teams for 3 quarters and then suddenly in the 4th a big ass hole would open and it was like he was a genius. I just don't want our coach getting away from what we should/can be.
 
Marvin Lewis is a coach that at one point his team had a terrible record. Ownership stuck with him. He weeded out the "me first" players and things have changed. Sometimes you have to give a guy the chance to implement his system.

I am not saying Gruden is that guy, because at times I question his demeanor and leadership.

We do need consistency at the HC position.
 
I think this may be the best article yet in terms of what might be to come for us here in Washington. Kirk or Gruden doubters, even the near suicidal types should feel better after studying it.

Jones caught four of Andy Dalton's career-high five touchdown passes on Sunday as the Cincinnati Bengals drubbed the New York Jets 49-9, a dominant performance that will turns heads around the NFL.

Dalton's five touchdown passes gave him 11 in his last three games, his best such span. He's the first quarterback to throw for five TDs against the Jets since Dan Marino in 1988.

It was Cincinnati's most lopsided victory during coach Marvin Lewis' 11 seasons.

The Bengals figured they could take advantage of New York's man-to-man coverage by throwing deep. Dalton's line gave him plenty of time and he was on target most of the time, setting up a lot of big plays.

A.J. Green also had two catches that went for more than 50 yards each as Dalton showed he can complete the long throw -- one of his biggest deficiencies in his first two seasons.

"I would say that absolutely surprised me," coach Rex Ryan said of his defense's collapse. "We got beat in every coverage known to man. Five touchdown passes? I don't know how many times that's happened in my lifetime. Not very often."

http://espn.go.com/nfl/undefined

Okay, so teams that Jay has either been an OC for or a HC for have owned the Ryan defenses. Every team seems to have one thorn in its side, and Gruden seems to be their nemesis. He lights them up.

Now if we only played Buffalo on our schedule later this season.....
 
at this point I am starting to agree as well. We see some changes that are things we need to have..is it enough? Is there more to come? Can he change his own problems and help us more?

The only answer I see is letting him finish out his contract to see. He isn't going all "shanahan" on us and just tanking/giving up.
 
Marvin Lewis has been the Bengals coach for 13 years and has never won a playoff game. Not exactly a great example of the value of tenure and patience.
 
Could be, but Scot must also realize that if Gruden is that good in the pass game he shouldn't stifle it.

Not saying depend on it but somewhere in the middle where both elements of Jay and Scot's vision and forte become go to's.
The smash mouth run first also protected the QB position which neither had a handle on.

Both are still learning each other and from what I hear is Gruden agrees totally with the big tough guy vision but he still gets balls to Crowder, who is a little tough guy.

I think both just want football players with smarts and want-to.

Scot was pretty pumped after the Tampa game too, might be more of a getting the win type thing regardless of how the game revealed itself.

Just been catching up on this thread. :D

Agree with this.

I've said in another thread, this year feels different to me because I think FINALLY we're seeing culture change. This is a team that I think is learning that you have to earn wins.

2012 for all it's glory was a year that set us back alot. Team came back in 2013 thinking it would be easy, truth was that Defenses caught up to what we'd been doing with RGIII the year before. RGIII was a shadow of his previous year and the team was generally badly made up and quit on Shanahan (I'd also say Shanahan quit on the team too).

When ShanaClan left town I think the coaching job here was seen as a bit of a poisoned chalice. The expectation here is sky high and HC's don't last long without success. Plus they were likely to be hamstrung by Snyder and Allen in what they could and couldn't do. They'd tried it Shanahan's way and now there was a feeling that they'd interfere again more than they already had with the RGIII malarky.

Enter Gruden.

Last year he looked like a rookie Head Coach. I think he underestimated the role and it's demands, especially in Washington. I think he had no idea what he was getting into with the media and press spotlight. He had the difficult job of dealing with the team and with Management with no go between and he had a skip full of trash left behind by the Shanahans in terms of both players, coaching staff, culture and bad habits.

I think being a HC in Washington is a very difficult job. I mean we've seen superbowl winning head coaches flounder here let alone a rookie.

This year McCloughan has stepped into the gap between himself and the Management. He's changed the coaching staff to jettison the old regime and put some new people in positions that will take the strain off him. Some of those coaching additions are VERY well regarded. They've also jettisoned players who didn't fit what they wanted the culture to be and drafted in ones that do fit. They instituted the culture that the players who start are the ones who are the best, not the ones who are the highest paid. They've changed the style of the offense and brought it in slowly to give Cousins (who hadn't got many starts and in experience on the field terms was almost a rookie) a breathing period to get used to the team and win it over as his. He's also started to focus attention at some f the fundamentals of football to get them right first.

Tackling has broadly been better this year. The replaced Forbath with Hopkins which was massive. Here's another fundamental...

(Disclaimer: I'm a stat whore! I've been crunching numbers all season on a spreadsheet for our trends in all types of catagories. I'll share it in a thread one day soon as it makes for interesting reading in some cases. Alot of the trends are really good, really positive. But here's a key one...)

Penalties.jpg

The grey line is our ranking per week for Penalties during the 2014 season. We got steadily worse over the first few games and then ended up 31st out of 32 teams by seasons end. Currently this year we've fixed that issue and risen consistently over the past 5 games to our current place of 3rd best in the league. Not sure we'll stay third but this is a MASSIVE improvement for a team that last year was always nulling good plays with stupid penalties.

How many yards does that currently represent?

Penalties Yards.jpg

Well last year we averaged about 70 yards per game across the season. That's 70 free yards we gave to the opposition or took off ourselves. This year we're down to an average per game of just 49 yards per game. 2014 saw us commit 1200 yards in penalties across the season. This year we've only committed just under 500 and are on course to finish the season with around 850 to 900 yards if we keep this pace.

The reason I focussed on Penalties is because this has been an area on this team which has been bad for ages. It displayed a lack of basic fundamentals and discipline. The fact that this is a trend which is heavily reversing bodes extremely well. If you want to do the fun stuff you gotta get the basics down first. I feel that this is what we're finally doing.

If this was a movie then we should be winning the Superbowl this year. Gruden on board with his new QB and a fairytale season brought about by McCloughan at the helm. But this is real life and in real life it takes time. Lots of it.

Gruden ain't perfect. Is he a good coach? I think so. Is he great? No idea. Will he win a Superbowl with us? Who knows.

But I'm personally happy with the direction we're going. This team is starting to look sound in the fundamentals. We're limiting stupid penalties and turnovers. We're fighting all the way to the end of games. We're not looking outclassed by teams worse than us, and if we do (like the Tampa Bay game) we come out swinging and don't give up. We didn't look intimidated by the Pats and I don't think we'll look intimidated by the Panthers. We've got good character guys across the team, we've got rookies looking sound if not spectacular yet and you can see the bones of something to build on. For the first time in a along time I feel like we're getting somewhere.

Now Gruden could yet make a fool of me. But I like what he's doing thus far. I'd like to think he'll grow and learn along with the team and maybe in a couple of years we'll start being consistent contenders for playoffs and dare I say the Superbowl. Long way to go but everything looks like it's trending that way to me.

I feel like this year he looks alot better.
 
Addendum to previous:

I think the Giants game is HUGE for us.

The Panthers game this week nobody expects us to win. IF we get beaten so be it. I'll be happily impressed if we make it competitive, but not the end of the world.

That Giants game though...

It's divisional, so we need to win to close a game on them (or possibly overtake them depending on what happens this weekend!)

It's Cousins personal bogey team. He needs that monkey off his back, but he's (supposedly) a different QB now to the one that faced them in week 3.

The mullered us in the Meadowlands... But we're in Fedex this time and we've been pretty mighty at home. Time to return the favour.

If we fold like a cheap hooker in this game then that's not great. If we beat them at home and maybe take the division lead... That would be a huge boost especially then going to the Cowboys the week after.

Gruden needs to coach his socks off for this one!
 
Damn, Knight. You're a sick man---you'll do great here. :)

Please do feel free to start a dedicated Knightingale's Nifty Numbers Nook kind of thread. Love substantive stuff like that.

Only please call it something better. :paranoid:
 
Damn I like that name!!!! LOL

I actually work as an IT consultant doing new software rollouts for companies in the UK. Part of that job is a statistical analysis of how the new system will benefit them, by measuring how they currently do things and then showing how things have improved post implementation.

I LOVE this part of the job more than the rest. LOL

This tracking of stats started out because, for fun, I was trying to create an Excel based modelling tool that could predict Wins and Losses and scores by tracking trends, factoring in Power Rankings, home and away ranks, odds from various websites, injuries etc etc.

It worked to a point. LOL For the 2014 season I held a little competition with my other half and 3 other friends where everyweek we'd try and guess the winners for all the games and the scores. Then I'd let the model have a pop and by the end of the season see whether is was better or worse than us using out intuition.

It was about the same. LOL

I've not given up on it though! One day it'll win me a fortune! LMAO!

I'll definitely start popping up the stats on a thread when I get a free minute. :D
 

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