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PFT: Washington may be in the Mariota business

Well, now I've seen it all.

Trades, speculations, romo being argued as a good qb against our own player.

I have no idea what is happening on this site but I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
 
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There Is No ration...ONLY Zuul!!!
 
Stats, whether you're arguing that Romo is a quality QB, Griffin is a struggling QB, or the Skins OL is adequate, they don't tell the whole story. But neither can they be ignored.

And all you have to know about most other 'starting' NFL QBs vs. where Robert Griffin is right now is that most of the rest of them aren't playing for their jobs and possibly career in 2015.
 
McD5 said:
Lovie Smith hints the Bucs are open to trading down | ProFootballTalk

Total, probably BS speculation about the Bucs willing to listen to trade offers.

Someone has to do it......wait for it.......wait a little longer.........

RG3 plus our 5th pick plus another 3rd to move up to the top spot.

Totally unlikely, I know. They'd probably want RG3 plus our first and second this year, and another first or second next year.
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Passing on Winston is potentially a career-ending choice. The only way the Bucs make that move is if someone give's them a Ditka-esque offer. They certainly wouldn't take a risk like that for the chump change you are describing. Thing is - fans will forgive a blown pick (if Winston doesn't work out). But they'll never forgive passing a player like him up and seeing him light it up for another team.
 
Is Marino a better qb than brady?
 
Boone said:
I think the focus of the conversation (for anyone who wants to respond to whats actually been said, you know, versus what you think you have a cogent argument ready for...) is that the fact that McCoy could come in, look competent, and execute the offense DESPITE his obvious physical limitations and being in his first year in the offense, makes Griffin's inability to do so more concerning.

And as far as Romo goes - hey TR1, try to keep up buddy... no one is talking about the HOF (except you). And the reason you are talking about it is because you can't provide any actual evidence that Romo isn't currently twice the QB Griffin is. The truth is a *****. Again, I don't like Romo, I think he IS a choke artist, and I don't want him QBing my team. But as a pocket passer he is light years ahead of anything Griffin has shown to date. If you want to argue that point, I'm welcome to participate (and good luck!).
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Romo is also light years ahead of McCoy.

That's a gross generalization "he executed the offense." he didn't. he handed the ball off to ALF and dropped a pass into reed when it counted. other than that...there was nothing scintillating or even hope raising abt Colt McCoy. that's the point I'm making. so what if he "looked" better than Griffin (who was also in his first year of learning the offense). Colt McCoy produced the same crappy performance when under pressure. we all saw it.



Jay Gruden is gonna have to do better. no. check that. McL is gonna have to tell Gruden what to do.
 
'So what if he looked better than Griffin'? That's the whole point of the ****ing conversation Al. I've already posted McCoy's numbers. They don't reflect handing the ball off to ALF and dropping a pass to Reed when it counted. Again - I never said McCoy should be the starter. I never said McCoy was a legitimate NFL QB. I don't know why you continue to reply as if I did. The point is, he made Griffin look like an amateur when he was out there. That is concerning, not because McCoy is a star, but because he isn't and never will be. Unless you buy into Bulldog/Henry's theory that a backup magically outperforms the starter for a period - how effective McCoy was executing the offense was startling.
 
Since I brought Romo into this, let me clarify. I'm not saying Romo is a great pocket passer and Robert should be too. I am saying Romo is mobile and always moves slightly out of the pocket to creat a throw under pressure from the rush. That spin move that no one seems to figure out, gives him the second or two to regroup and find a loose receiver. Griffin on the other hand, cannot seem to getout of his own way when the rush bears down, and instead of rolling out in the opposite direction, he steps back and thereby insures a sack. I believe Robert hung on to the ball way too long, that was the knock on him from the experts, and not the line. The line could get better, but still won't help having good pass blockers if Griffin holds on to the ball. He needs to learn quick release, rollout from the rush, throw on the run, read his second and third reads while doing so. It may be too much for him to handle, but Wilson and romo make it look easy and natural. We have a QB that came in to the league and couldn't slide for crying out loud. Somehow we missed that huge red flag on Griffin.
 
I think you hit the nail on the head Mick. He's incredibly athletic but lacks natural football ability. It's the things I'm not so sure you can just learn.
 
It takes a lot of skill to throw interceptions in crucial games and choke year after year.

But somehow romo manages to do it. He's the real mvp
 
I think Wilson is the better comparison of emulation than Romo. Romo's improvising gets him into a lot of trouble and often creates turnovers. I would not be happy if Robert started to play like Romo in any way, because I see Romo playing out of control a lot. Wilson seems to have a better understanding of how to control chaos than Romo (or Griffin) at this point. As others have said though, Wilson benefits more than we will probably ever realize from Lynch and that D. I am genuinely not sure how much of his success is due to him and how much he owes to the run game and his defense.
 
A good D and great RB (we have one of those btw) doesn't help a QB decide when to throw the ball, who to throw it to, when to leave the pocket, how to throw on the run, etc.. Obviously, the better the supporting cast...it doesn't hurt. I don't think Wilson is a great QB. But he's currently a lot better one than Griffin is in my opinion.
 
micks113 said:
Since I brought Romo into this, let me clarify. I'm not saying Romo is a great pocket passer and Robert should be too. I am saying Romo is mobile and always moves slightly out of the pocket to creat a throw under pressure from the rush. That spin move that no one seems to figure out, gives him the second or two to regroup and find a loose receiver. Griffin on the other hand, cannot seem to getout of his own way when the rush bears down, and instead of rolling out in the opposite direction, he steps back and thereby insures a sack. I believe Robert hung on to the ball way too long, that was the knock on him from the experts, and not the line. The line could get better, but still won't help having good pass blockers if Griffin holds on to the ball. He needs to learn quick release, rollout from the rush, throw on the run, read his second and third reads while doing so. It may be too much for him to handle, but Wilson and romo make it look easy and natural. We have a QB that came in to the league and couldn't slide for crying out loud. Somehow we missed that huge red flag on Griffin.
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but that is not what the offense designed for him expected the first season. the read option worked like a charm and Griffin worked it to perfection. now we are asking for change. the issue, in my mind, is how does the change get effected while still taking advantage of Griffin's singular abilities? they did that in Seattle and we could do that here. it's not all on Griffin....absolutely, totally crappy coaching had a lot to do with the current predicament.
 
Biggest practical difference between Romo and Robert? Romo peaked. He is what he is--a good scrambler and "off schedule" passer, capable of very hot streaks but also prone to crippling mistakes. He is extremely unlikely to get better at this point, so his team's continued success and hopes of winning it all will depend on the players around him, not his own improvement.

Robert is still an NFL infant. Three years in, he effectively missed one of them rehabbing from the knee, and had his third disrupted by an ankle injury AND whatever drama there is between him, his head, and his head coach. With him, however, unlike Romo, the script is as yet unwritten. He could still soar, or he could simply fade away.
 
Om said:
Biggest practical difference between Romo and Robert? Romo peaked. He is what he is--a good scrambler and "off schedule" passer, capable of very hot streaks but also prone to crippling mistakes. He is extremely unlikely to get better at this point, so his team's continued success and hopes of winning it all will depend on the players around him, not his own improvement.

Robert is still an NFL infant. Three years in, he effectively missed one of them rehabbing from the knee, and had his third disrupted by an ankle injury AND whatever drama there is between him, his head, and his head coach. With him, however, unlike Romo, the script is as yet unwritten. He could still soar, or he could simply fade away.
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bingo!

I think there is potential but agree with all of you that the statute of limitations is running out on Griffin. the last three years of drama have created many of these problems - Griffin's detachment the rest. I just want to see a coach who works to get the best out of his players and perform his level best to use the talent on hand to greatest advantage - not straight jacket/pigeon hole the scheme to suit his identity, ego, etc., etc.
 
McD5 said:
Lol. We have the 13th ranked offense in the league, even with a "horrendous" O-line. What does that tell you? Gruden also led the league in red zone efficiency in Cincy. What I believe should be clear is that:

1. We obviously have an offense that gets WRs open consistently. Ranked 13th even with 3 different QBs should alleviate any concerns about if what we are running works in today's NFL.

2. We have an offense and HC that has shown the ability to score points--and better than anyone else once inside the 20 in Cincy.

Now imagine if we had good QB play last season. Would that 13th ranked offense had moved up to 7th? 5th?
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That "13th ranked offense" stat is misleading because of the metric used.

It is ranking teams solely by total offensive yardage which is an incomplete measure.

Here's the chart from ESPN:

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Yep, #13 all right.

Now, go across to the points-per-game column on the far right.

18.8 points per game.

Look a few selections above and below the Redskins-teams with similar offensive yardage-and see how many points per game they averaged.

Notice the difference? Those teams were more-in some cases much more efficient at converting yardage gained to points on the board.

That is where the 13th ranking misleads.

Here's the chart sorted by points-per-game.

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There are the Redskins at #26.

That's a more accurate picture of how the Redskins offense was last season.


Teams ranked above the Redskins in points-per-game gained fewer-again, in some cases-far fewer yards and still scored more points.

Check out St. Louis, or Buffalo in that second chart.


You have to go up to the Giants to find the lowest scoring team who gained more yardage than the Redskins and they were 13th in points-per-game-5 points better than the Redskins.

Our 2014 offense was not impressive-not at all.
 
Boone said:
A good D and great RB (we have one of those btw) doesn't help a QB decide when to throw the ball, who to throw it to, when to leave the pocket, how to throw on the run, etc.. Obviously, the better the supporting cast...it doesn't hurt. I don't think Wilson is a great QB. But he's currently a lot better one than Griffin is in my opinion.
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I mostly agree with you. I will add that having a dominating defense helps ease a QB's mind to a certain extent and frees him up to make mistakes that they will be able to cover. I agree it doesn't impact in his mechanics, just more psychologically perhaps.

And Lynch certainly gives him a weapon to utilize to change the ways defenses play him.

(But as you pointed out, Robert has that weapon in Alfred too)
 
Serv, no stat gives a complete picture.

Having the 13th most yards, with what some (incorrectly) believe is a bad O-line, and three pedestrian QBs is an accomplishment. That's a good offensive system.

Now if we could actually recognize when a WR is wide open, and throw the ball to him......we'd have a few more points.

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