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Bruce Allen Official Statement on Cousins Offer

Can't find the post that Fear put up last week about Kirk's agents firm. Curious if we have any other current players signed with this asshole?
 
The entire NFL is made up of greedy lying bastards. If thats not your bag professional sports is probably a bad place to look for entertainment. Shrug.
Sure they are. This thread pertains to our leading Greedy Lying Bastard.

Currently, giving my opinion about him on my favorite website is my bag.
This is one of the places where I come for entertainment.

If other peoples opinions aren't your bag, internet message boards are probably a bad place to look for entertainment. Shrug. ;) :swordfight:
 
If there's anyone feeling sorry for Kirk or feels he's been slighted take a look at the chart on his agents twitter page. Basically Kirk's gotten the highest 2 yr cash payout ever.

This went on and the prick couldn't pick up a phone or reply back? Skins may have had bad form early on with discussions but the latest is on Kirk's camp imho.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.csnm...d-couple-very-interesting-tweets-recently?amp

Edit: Must be me but I see the "no reply" as very disrespectful. Atleast acknowledge it before implying get bent
 
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If other peoples opinions aren't your bag, internet message boards are probably a bad place to look for entertainment. Shrug. ;) :swordfight:

That is true as well.
 
For anyone interested, the entire 50 minute interview this morning with the quarterback is being replayed in its entirety at 6pm EST on 106.7 The Fan.
 
Bruce: We'll give you 24 million this year and 28 million next year,guaranteed! How bout that?

KC: Well, I signed the tag so I'm already guaranteed that money. If I don't do anything, you'll hit me with a transition tag next year and I'll get 28 million guaranteed.

Bruce: How about after I guarantee you those two years, you get 4 more years at a reduced rate but the team has an option on each one of those years?

KC: Why would I sign up for two guaranteed yrs that you're already gonna give me?

Bruce: How bout I throw in a bottle of this elixir that will cure anything?

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KC: How is it on stains?
 
Well, it is established in the NFL that after franchising a player the team and player USUALLY agree to a per year average on a longer-term deal that is LESS than the average of the franchise tag.

So, in that respect Mike McCartney is trying to become a Scott Boras-like figure in the NFL by cracking the 'nut' and breaking the bank on salaries for quarterbacks.

Good for him. And good for Cousins.

But bad for the Redskins, if they sign him that is :)

My vote as stated before is to keep him for 2017, and prepare for his departure in 2018 by drafting a quarterback in a good draft for the position and getting Colt McCoy ready to start the 2018 season and play a certain number of games before transitioning to the rookie.

If that learning process extends into a second year, so be it.

This team still has holes to fill on the DL and depth in the secondary as well as finding long-term solutions at LG and running back before this team is really going to be ready to contend for a championship. And that's assuming Pryor, Brown and some of the other FA on one year deals pan out and the team has the space tor resign them!

If the team can continue to draft well and have those picks and selected free agent moves pan out, this team could be in a position similar to the Steelers in the early 2000's when they put together a good team and THEN drafted Ben Roethlisberger to be the long-term answer at qb.

And while Ben turned into a franchise passer over the years, that first Super Bowl in 2005 was really about the defense and the running game while Ben played more of a complementary role.

Roethlisberger turned out to be the centerpiece of the 2008 and 2010 Super Bowl teams once he matured in the league.
 
I think what these negotiations have shown is that, agree or disagree, the team does not value Cousins the way some of us and some in the league might. The team tried to cover their asses by leaking the contract details to try to "prove" to the fans that they made an honest effort to sign him. I think that if the team would have wanted to sign him they would have signed him. Just like I feel if he wanted to sign here he would have. The question now is less how we prepare for this season but what the plan is for the seasons after. Good GMs think about stuff like that. We don't have one...officially.

So we have only two real options:

Option 1 - We can keep Kirk and see what happens. That seems like us sticking our fingers in our ears and making noise. What exactly do we gain? If Kirk leads us to an 7-9 or 8-8 season and we just miss the playoffs we pick middle of the pack and he almost certainly walks next year. If Kirk makes the playoffs and plays like a top 10 QB do we then decide to "show him respect" and pay him 30 million a year guaranteed for 7 years or some such foolishness? Not likely. Then we have no QB and a pick somewhere in the mid to high 20's. Not exactly the best place to be if you need to draft a QB. So we stay wherever we end up and draft the best QB available right? We've all seen guys drafted outside of the top 10 who end up as hall of fame QBs. Doesn't sound like Dan's style though. I just don't believe the organization has that kind of discipline. No, Dan's likely to insist on a bold move to get our guy...again. What will we need to give up this time? I don't even want to think about that.

Option 2 - Move Kirk asap. If the plan is to draft our QB of the future in next years draft and move on from Kirk due to cost....why not try to move him now? It would hurt some now but it would either give us a player this year or draft picks for next year. It would probably curse us to a 4 win season this year which I wouldn't like to see (again) but it would at least look like we had a plan of some sort.

I think we might be able to stir some interest for Kirk around the league. San Fran is likely going to try to wait us out so we need an end around. Now for some wild ass speculation: What about the Rams where Kirk's old OC is now head coach? Goff has almost no track record. Would you trade him straight up for Kirk right now? Would the Rams bite on a deal like that? Would we? Who knows? It's something a good GM would be looking into. Houston was a playoff team last season with no QB. They moved up to get Watson in this draft but he's a question mark. Wouldn't they be happier with a guy with a track record of some success in the NFL? Maybe. What about the Cardinals? If Carson Palmer isn't done he can see done from where he's standing. Make the call.

My point is we need to wise up. Our window to sign Kirk just shut.
 
Kirk plays this season and you tag him next. Get 2 1st round picks fopr him or make him play another season here.

The team holds the cards on where Cousins plays for at least 2 more seasons. You don't just get what you can now, and San Fran won't simply wait for 2 seasons to get their QB, who will be 32 by then.
 
Kirk plays this season and you tag him next. Get 2 1st round picks fopr him or make him play another season here.

The team holds the cards on where Cousins plays for at least 2 more seasons. You don't just get what you can now, and San Fran won't simply wait for 2 seasons to get their QB, who will be 32 by then.

The money you pay him for next season gets silly if you have to tag him again. It's never happened before for a reason. I can't see it happening.
 
It's the money the team offered him guaranteed in the long term deal. It's 28 million in the transition tag. They already appear to be prepared to absorb that money. That's where you get him on the team or get ridiculous compensation for him.

The exclusive tag would be stupid...that's 35 million, I believe.
 
Well, it is established in the NFL that after franchising a player the team and player USUALLY agree to a per year average on a longer-term deal that is LESS than the average of the franchise tag.

Maybe this is why teams don't use the FT on QB's. The Redskins are also the first team in NFL history to put a franchise tag on a QB twice!

Now 73Mil over 3 years isn't enough for him when they could have easily had him for under 60 for those 3 years if they signed him last year.

Now actual Redskins fans believe that the same buffoons who can't identify QB talent on their own team for 5 years before they have better than good season can go pick out an Elite QB playing college football? :glee:
 
It's the money the team offered him guaranteed in the long term deal. It's 28 million in the transition tag. They already appear to be prepared to absorb that money. That's where you get him on the team or get ridiculous compensation for him.

The exclusive tag would be stupid...that's 35 million, I believe.
There is no compensation on the transition tag. Only the right to match whatever offer he gets elsewhere. So, the ONLY way to get compensation, and NOBODY will give up two 1st's, is the exclusive tag. Which I hope and pray to Buddha we don't do.

To get something for him, we have to trade him now.
Which I'm totally fine with.
 
Now 73Mil over 3 years isn't enough for him when they could have easily had him for under 60 for those 3 years if they signed him last year.

If it's and buts were candy and nuts... :)

Is there anyone here that would have guaranteed the quarterback 72.5+m based on his 2015 season?
 
There is no compensation on the transition tag. Only the right to match whatever offer he gets elsewhere. So, the ONLY way to get compensation, and NOBODY will give up two 1st's, is the exclusive tag. Which I hope and pray to Buddha we don't do.

To get something for him, we have to trade him now.
Which I'm totally fine with.
You are correct sir...I was mistaken.

Point is, we still hold the cards on when/where he goes for at least 2 seasons. By then, he'd be entering the season following that with another team when he was 32. If getting a new QB through the draft is the option, why not go ahead and draft them then keep Kirk around?

You guys keep crying about the money, but the money is there. We have plenty to work with and the cap continues to go up.

But this organization will end up letting the most conistent, probably best QB we've had in decades, go for nothing.
 
You are correct sir...I was mistaken.
Trust me, I wish you were. It would be a no brainer. Though I still don't think anybody would give us two 1st's. Unless Greedy Lying Bastard is this years Super Bowl MVP.

Point is, we still hold the cards on when/where he goes for at least 2 seasons. By then, he'd be entering the season following that with another team when he was 32. If getting a new QB through the draft is the option, why not go ahead and draft them then keep Kirk around?
Technically true. Realistically not. Not at that price.

You guys keep crying about the money, but the money is there. We have plenty to work with and the cap continues to go up.
Well, in all fairness, everybody's crying about the money. Most notably, Greedy Lying Bastard.
But this organization will end up letting the most conistent, probably best QB we've had in decades, go for nothing.
Well, as I've said before, I believe the team would do almost as well with McCoy. Not because he's clearly better than Greedy Lying Bastard. But because he'd be sufficient. And, he would force Gruden to better develop, and then use.....the running game. And, with marginal improvement on defense, I truly believe we have an above average shot at the postseason under Colt.

I expect postseason winsssssssss, from Greedy Lying Bastard. Only way in hell he earns his pay. IMESHO. :)
 
I think what these negotiations have shown is that, agree or disagree, the team does not value Cousins the way some of us and some in the league might. The team tried to cover their asses by leaking the contract details to try to "prove" to the fans that they made an honest effort to sign him. I think that if the team would have wanted to sign him they would have signed him. Just like I feel if he wanted to sign here he would have. The question now is less how we prepare for this season but what the plan is for the seasons after. Good GMs think about stuff like that. We don't have one...officially.

So we have only two real options:

Option 1 - We can keep Kirk and see what happens. That seems like us sticking our fingers in our ears and making noise. What exactly do we gain? If Kirk leads us to an 7-9 or 8-8 season and we just miss the playoffs we pick middle of the pack and he almost certainly walks next year. If Kirk makes the playoffs and plays like a top 10 QB do we then decide to "show him respect" and pay him 30 million a year guaranteed for 7 years or some such foolishness? Not likely. Then we have no QB and a pick somewhere in the mid to high 20's. Not exactly the best place to be if you need to draft a QB. So we stay wherever we end up and draft the best QB available right? We've all seen guys drafted outside of the top 10 who end up as hall of fame QBs. Doesn't sound like Dan's style though. I just don't believe the organization has that kind of discipline. No, Dan's likely to insist on a bold move to get our guy...again. What will we need to give up this time? I don't even want to think about that.

Option 2 - Move Kirk asap. If the plan is to draft our QB of the future in next years draft and move on from Kirk due to cost....why not try to move him now? It would hurt some now but it would either give us a player this year or draft picks for next year. It would probably curse us to a 4 win season this year which I wouldn't like to see (again) but it would at least look like we had a plan of some sort.

I think we might be able to stir some interest for Kirk around the league. San Fran is likely going to try to wait us out so we need an end around. Now for some wild ass speculation: What about the Rams where Kirk's old OC is now head coach? Goff has almost no track record. Would you trade him straight up for Kirk right now? Would the Rams bite on a deal like that? Would we? Who knows? It's something a good GM would be looking into. Houston was a playoff team last season with no QB. They moved up to get Watson in this draft but he's a question mark. Wouldn't they be happier with a guy with a track record of some success in the NFL? Maybe. What about the Cardinals? If Carson Palmer isn't done he can see done from where he's standing. Make the call.

My point is we need to wise up. Our window to sign Kirk just shut.

I'm of the mind that if we are confident he will never sign a long-term deal, the smart move is to trade him. If I were Bruce Allen, I would've seized the leverage before the deadline. I'd have told them that if we couldn't work out a LTD, that we were GOING to trade him, but it wouldn't be to the 49ers. I don't understand why they wouldn't have had that discussion - that's probably the only thing, that we didn't go this route (at least to our knowledge) that makes me wonder if the 'bad relationship' rumors are all true? Because the only reason you don't take that approach is if you still think a LTD is possible in 2018.
 
You are correct sir...I was mistaken.

Point is, we still hold the cards on when/where he goes for at least 2 seasons. By then, he'd be entering the season following that with another team when he was 32. If getting a new QB through the draft is the option, why not go ahead and draft them then keep Kirk around?

You guys keep crying about the money, but the money is there. We have plenty to work with and the cap continues to go up.

But this organization will end up letting the most conistent, probably best QB we've had in decades, go for nothing.

Are we going to the Super Bowl in the next 2 years? That's the only rationale for renting a QB like Cousins at a huge cost. For me, it's LTD or trade him asap.
 
Seems to me, if there was a team out there interested/willing to make the kind of trade for Kirk that the team, or any of us for that matter, would consider even taking seriously, there would be whispers in the wind about it.

I'm not against the idea of trading Kirk at this point, but I'm holding out for true market value. :)
 
Bruce: We'll give you 24 million this year and 28 million next year,guaranteed! How bout that?

KC: Well, I signed the tag so I'm already guaranteed that money. If I don't do anything, you'll hit me with a transition tag next year and I'll get 28 million guaranteed.

Bruce: How about after I guarantee you those two years, you get 4 more years at a reduced rate but the team has an option on each one of those years?

KC: Why would I sign up for two guaranteed yrs that you're already gonna give me?

Bruce: How bout I throw in a bottle of this elixir that will cure anything?

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KC: How is it on stains?

This was pretty much my line of thinking when that statement was released.

I was in the car chatting to wifey when she read the statement out and I looked at her with furrowed brow and said... "So essentially they're offering him prettymuch what he already has? How does that makes sense!"

I always expected it to kinda go like this as Kirk has pretty much all the leverage, and that only gets worse next year.

We're still waiting for Stafford and Ryan to sign deals... Basically Kirk is now betting on himself... AGAIN. If those guys sign megadeals, and if Kirk puts comparable numbers this year to them (or just basically puts up the same kind of numbers as last year and the year before) then he'll be in demand and he knows it. And if Stafford and Ryan do sign huge deals that up the average salary for a QB to something in the high $20mil or maybe the $30mil range... that Franchise Tag next year suddenly doesn't look so expensive in relation to the cost of putting him on a LTD along the lines of what they'll probably get.

This is only going to get more expensive for the Skins. Deal should have been done a long time ago, now Kirk is basically holding all the cards.

The only thing the Skins have in their favour is the team itself. We've got a pretty good O-Line, some good receiving weapons, a system he knows and a Coach who's pass orientated. This system is set up for him to flourish. Others might not be. If we look like a team seriously on the rise this year it might sway him to stay.

On the flip side... that pretty good O-Line is the only thing standing between him and serious injury. Which might be another reason he's confident enough to sit on the Franchise tag. If our O-line had been a sieve he might have been more inclined to sign. LOL
 

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