Joe Barry Report Card

Henry, that's exactly the same way that Seattle used Richard Sherman for years. He just shutdown one side of the field. That's not a waste of money.

Last year they began to let him cover more than just one side in Seattle.
 
The secondary is the least of our concerns.

Breeland has hung with some of the best WRs in the game. Dez, OBJ, etc. There's no reason to lose faith in him after one game.

In the words of Junior Gallette:

"No DB on the planet could of stopped those throws and the timing of it no one is getting to the QB in under 2 secs it's one game #RELAX

Y'all have to stop bashing the team it's one Game Against a really good team #CALMDOWN a lot of throws were damn near perfect passes"

http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/washi...ll-have-stop-bashing-team-pittsburgh-steelers

There are a ton of reasons we lost the game......having Breeland going up against Norman probably wasn't one of the biggest.
 
We keep throwing up the pass/run ratio as if it indicates what really happened during the game.

Typical set of downs is what... 3 plays and see the result.

All it takes is for one unsuccessful run to produce two passing plays to get to the next set of downs.

What I typically saw was a stuffed run or a successful run called back by some bonehead penalty . So we have down and long distance which calls for passing plays.

That's 2:1 right off the bat and frankly, I'd have no problem with that ratio at all.
Now, had we won with that 4:1 thing, it's doubtful that we'd be yacking this thing up so loud :p

With our receiving corps and the way they played us 'soft'.... the short passing game should have been used and often, trouble is that Kirk looked off.... why I don't know but what I did see was him starting to finally put some 'zip' on the ball, unfortunately too late in the game with our weak run defense already gassed to the max.

And of course there was a defense ranked top 5 against the run that figured into the equation too, so yeah..... let's go with our admittedly weak run game and jam it into one of the best run defenses in the league just get that run to pass ratio a little closer to even regardless of the outcome of each play.

The game was supposed to be a benchmark for the Skins, 'welp'.... we and the team now know now that there is work to be done in order to play with the 'big boys'.

One thing we do know is that this team knows how to work, they just gotta be smarter about where they direct the effort and get pissed about their failures.

But it's not just the run/pass differential. It's more than that.

By my unofficially tally, we ran all but 12 plays out of the shotgun formation. Of those 12, non-shotgun plays, seven were rushes. Of those seven rushes, five were Matt Jones.

Now Jones only ran the ball seven times all game long. And five of them were out of the single-back formation. So basically, if it's not a shotgun formation and Jones is in the backfield ... it's highly likely Jones is running the ball.

We did this last year when we were hurting for TEs and we'd bring a tackle in as a TE and it was obvious we were going to run it. Only now that we have actual TEs that can block, apparently we still tip off the defense (and the audience at home) with our formations and personnel.

I really hope Gruden mixes things up a little better going forward.
 
Last year they began to let him cover more than just one side in Seattle.

Guess what? Last year Sherman signed a new contract making him the highest paid corner in the game.
 
Cornerback is the least of our problems.

Breeland had his 2nd interception on the TD to Brown. Went right through his arms. He didn't get "burned" at all. IMHO. He just didn't finish the play. I'm comfortable with Norman or him playing any receiver we face.
 
Cornerback is the least of our problems.

Breeland had his 2nd interception on the TD to Brown. Went right through his arms. He didn't get "burned" at all. IMHO. He just didn't finish the play. I'm comfortable with Norman or him playing any receiver we face.

Ax, it goes back to your concerns about the lack of a Plan B.

I like Breeland too, and I could see having him cover Brown or the right side of the field or whatever to start the game. But once it became obvious that Brown was too much for Breeland (say, halfway through the third quarter?) an adjustment might have been a good idea. To just throw our hands up and go "well, that's the game plan" ... I find that very troubling.
 
The part bothering me the most is the missed tackles. That's not something DingleBarry or any other coach should have to "teach" imho. Between all the years leading up to and thru college, proper tackling should be 2nd nature.
 
Between all the years leading up to and thru college, proper tackling should be 2nd nature.

On a positive note: we'd be one of the teams to benefit from the inevitable switch to flag football.
 
Ax, it goes back to your concerns about the lack of a Plan B.

I like Breeland too, and I could see having him cover Brown or the right side of the field or whatever to start the game. But once it became obvious that Brown was too much for Breeland (say, halfway through the third quarter?) an adjustment might have been a good idea. To just throw our hands up and go "well, that's the game plan" ... I find that very troubling.
Well, until proven otherwise, or at least until I see Norman do it here, with the Redskins, I think Breeland is as good as Norman. Plan B, defensively, would have maybe been doubling Brown on every play, and showing it pre snap, regardless of the CB. That, and dialing up some kind of pressure on Rapistberger.

An offense that puts some sustained drives together, giving the defense more than a few minute breather, especially early in the season, wouldn't hurt either. And, it was the Steelers, who've had our number for years, on MNF, which we've always been around .500, and it was one game.

Now, a repeat performance next Sunday and I'm for firing everybody. There isn't a single acceptable reason to lose at home to the Cowboys next week. Not one.

If they do, someone should add me to a terrorist watch list.
 
I generally agree with you, Ax. I didn't expect we were going to win the Pittsburgh game anyway.

I am a little bothered by some of the decisions, though. I like Breeland, but he's not an elite corner. Norman is, or the team sure as hell thinks he is. His role on the defense should be that of an elite corner, until such time as Breeland proves he is one as well. Which, as much as I like Breeland, he hasn't done.
 
Cornerback is the least of our problems.

Based on Monday, it's a huge problem. But the whole defense was a problem.
We couldn't stop the pass, while they got ahead of us.
And once they got ahead, we couldn't stop the run.
Ben threw for 300 yards, and 3 TD's, There were multiple 20+ yard pass play gains.
And the Skins were repeatedly getting beat by a receiver who had never caught a single NFL passes.
That all reflects on the corners.
 
Yeah, I think it was you, Henry, that had said it was the way we lost that was troubling. And I agree. I thought we had a good chance to beat them. Real good chance. What I didn't expect was for the team to look like none of them had ever played together in a regular season game before. Led by a rookie head coach and his rookie staff. But that's what it looked like.
 
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Based on Monday, it's a huge problem. But the whole defense was a problem.
We couldn't stop the pass, while they got ahead of us.
And once they got ahead, we couldn't stop the run.
Ben threw for 300 yards, and 3 TD's, There were multiple 20+ yard pass play gains.
And the Skins were repeatedly getting beat by a receiver who had never caught a single NFL passes.
That all reflects on the corners.
Yeah, because the lack of a pass rush, poor tackling, an offense that couldn't stay on the field, facing a future HOF QB, on one of the best coached teams in the league, had nothing to do with it at all. Gotcha!

It's not a trend. If Dallas does the same thing to us Sunday, then it's a big problem. Until then, it's just another Monday Night Abortion this franchise has been giving us since MNF began.
 
To me, one of the major missteps was waiving off Wade Phillips and allowing Gruden go out and hire a guy in Joe Barry that was on nobody's list of top DC prospects in the NFL.

His only DC experience came when he worked for his father, good grief.......

McCloughan and Allen needed to step in and tell Jay he needed a veteran defensive coach with a track record to help the unit find an identity and rebuild from several years of neglect.

Instead we got Barry and 2 years of drafts with only ONE DL selected and that was in the 5th round.

All of the resources except for the FA signing of Norman have have been expended on the other side of the ball.
 
Yep. I still think this team has 4-3 personnel despite the protests of Barry and Gruden that they run a lot of non- 3-4 fronts, etc so it really doesn't matter if we have a anchor inside at DT/NT or traditionally bigger inside linebackers like Pittsburgh or Baltimore.

That's BS.

Whatever front we are in save dime package two minute stuff, we need guys inside that can defend the run.

We need DEs that hold up and don't get caught up in the wash.

Let's face it, Williams is 33 years old and we let him run like he was Adrian Peterson.

God knows what the score would have been if Bell, Bryant, Wheaton were playing.

The Steelers had one legit pass target out there in Brown and the coaches set up a game plan that allowed Pittsburgh to maximize his potential contributions.

Meanwhile, Bellichick went to Arizona and beat a 13-3 quality squad with half of his team missing.

Starting qb, best receiver, both starting tackles, etc.

The Redskins on MNF were almost 100% healthy.

So, what's the excuse now?
 
I'm with Henry on this one. Revis doesn't get burned by pick plays, manages to shut a guy down following him all over the field. Norman is being paid and given the reputation in a way that says he should be able to do the same.

Shi, Revis gave up 180 yards to AJ Green last weekend.

It happens, even to the best.
 
Barry seems to be predictable, and unable to adjust.
When we've played good teams like GB and Pitt, we jump out to an early lead, and not long after that, the walls cave in, and our defense then gets obliterated, while the opposing O-Coordinator finds ways to adjust.
 

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