The Gruden Files - Year Two

McD5 said:
Run, Pass, Score ? Accountability. *The Secret to Culture Change by...
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Nice, the thing that reads 'true' to me about what was said is that Gruden had the balls to get in the face of status quo.

Yes, it was embarrassing to publically see and hear about a 'can't drop back right' QB, a 'can't block worth a crap' WR or a 'needs to be on the field' TE and other breakage of rules for the bus.

Did it have to be done that way, probably not, but when a hype machine continues to roll along unabated, perhaps a shattering head-on collision into a brick wall forces the rebuild.

Status quo was that misdirected hype machine, the culture that we all want to change.

Let's see what this mechanic and the new purveyor of parts can do to reassemble this sputtering mess.

We have seen some early trial returns already.

Don't know for sure if the machine it's race ready but it appears to be running a little smoother and it's starting to look more like a football machine.
 
TomE said:
Wouldn't surprise at all either :D

But I do recall even the radio locals hinting at the same things this and last year. Made some sense then and still does now.
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I know. It was a nice piece to read today. It feels good to see more and more people recognize that the culture of this team really is changing. I can't stand when the media doesn't do their homework and suggests we are still a team full of melodrama. It looks like we are slowly moving on from that label...slowly.

But I still maintain we should judge this book at the end of the season.
 
When RGIII demonstrated his lack of development so blatantly in the horrible performance against Detroit (which is put in clearer perspective with the Lions’ abysmal season so far), Gruden decided it was time to pounce.
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That line right there shows the the spin pretty clearly.
 
Miles Monroe said:
That line right there shows the the spin pretty clearly.
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I didn't see anything that was unreasonable or likely untrue. Griffins play was poor regardless of the line injuries. He exacerbated the problem by not correctly identifying the defensive front and calling the wrong shifts. Gruden clearly decided early on that Griffin wasn't going to develop. Why can't it be as simple as that? I hadn't really noticed, but it has been delightfully drama free for a while now. There are definite changes and improvements that Gruden is due credit for.
 
stevenaa said:
I didn't see anything that was unreasonable or likely untrue. Griffins play was poor regardless of the line injuries. He exacerbated the problem by not correctly identifying the defensive front and calling the wrong shifts. Gruden clearly decided early on that Griffin wasn't going to develop. Why can't it be as simple as that? I hadn't really noticed, but it has been delightfully drama free for a while now. There are definite changes and improvements that Gruden is due credit for.
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or that McL is owed a huge thank you for.

Gruden...just an opinion...will always be a second rate coach IMO. his personna screams child. he will always be bested by the billicheats and upper tier coaches of the world.

guess time will tell. anyone care to venture a guess when Gruden will win a SB?
 
McL deserves credit for sure for bringing in real football talent and setting a vision, but Gruden still has to implement it and there are positive changes attributable to him. You can't blame a teams failings on the HC and then refuse to give him credit for successes. It's dishonest. The team seems to be responding to him. Mistakes do seem to get corrected, and play seems to be improving. And there definitely seems to be accountability. Will he win a Super Bowl. No idea. Don't even know if he'll manage a winning team consistently. But I do see growth and a willingness to learn and change. I certainly don't think he's arrived at the HC he's going to be.
 
stevenaa said:
I didn't see anything that was unreasonable or likely untrue. Griffins play was poor regardless of the line injuries. He exacerbated the problem by not correctly identifying the defensive front and calling the wrong shifts. Gruden clearly decided early on that Griffin wasn't going to develop. Why can't it be as simple as that? I hadn't really noticed, but it has been delightfully drama free for a while now. There are definite changes and improvements that Gruden is due credit for.
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The spin is the writer is using another teams poor record to try to show just how bad Robert played in that game, and that's a joke. Cousins may not have gotten beaten up behind the make shift line as badly, but would still have taken a beating.
 
I didn't say that there aren't still issues being worked out, consistency being one of them, but you can' t expect everything to be automatically fixed after two decades of putrid. Both play and management. But there are improvements and he has shown growth, even if you only want to point out problem areas while grudgingly stating he's done enough to come back. :) No body is saying, well one body is ;), that Gruden has proven to be the man. But, as with Kirk, there are positive signs and I'm cautiously optimistic. I admittedly see much through the bias of desperately wanting to be settled at coach and QB, so we'll have to wait and see. But, I'd rather view it through the prism of optimism and enjoy the thought we might be on our way finally. Following the team would not be any fun otherwise.
 
Miles Monroe said:
The spin is the writer is using another teams poor record to try to show just how bad Robert played in that game, and that's a joke. Cousins may not have gotten beaten up behind the make shift line as badly, but would still have taken a beating.
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Really though, the article reinforces what many have claimed regarding Gruden and RG. Gruden was out on him, and going into this season didn't want him as the guy despite the public show of declaring RG the starter. Where many of us diverge is in Grudens motivation. Was it personal or performance driven?
 
stevenaa said:
Really though, the article reinforces what many have claimed regarding Gruden and RG. Gruden was out on him, and going into this season didn't want him as the guy despite the public show of declaring RG the starter. Where many of us diverge is in Grudens motivation. Was it personal or performance driven?
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I've said before, I feel Gruden proclaimed him the starter to shut up the media, but never had any intent on starting him. Just the vibe I got, not fact to back it up, unless you call keeping an injury prone player in behind a completely inadequate line.

Yes,the culture is changing, but I put most of that on Scott being nothing changed last season.
 
stevenaa said:
. But I do see growth and a willingness to learn and change. I certainly don't think he's arrived at the HC he's going to be.
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As long as it's not here in DC I'm down with that!

Look at the dude on the sidelines. listen to him. he's a **d *amn child. the team had to bring in professional, experienced talent to wedge him into becoming a professional HC.

better? I think we have been so chastened by the crap we have endured for all these years that any sign of mediocrity is considered improvement/progress. unless, of course, one tries to understand and explain how a team motivated by its manchild coach can't seem to energize itself for the second half of most games.

nope...like many others...I'd qualify the track record as highly uneven.

McL is the hope of this franchise. we need more and better talent. talent on a level that make even a mediocre coach look good....and can depend upon when being out-coached by the top tier coaches in the NFL.
 
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Gruden should have to walk home and think about what a shitty coach he is.

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Refs were atrocious today. Having said that, once the snowball started rolling downhill, it became bigger and bigger pretty quickly instead of Gruden working to negate it, or at least minimize it. Carolina is a damned good football team, we need to remember that. But they demolished us, a week after we demolished another bad team. That shouldn't have happened. Gruden's best was not on display today.
 
Gruden is losing ground IMO. The Panthers are a better team, but this wasn't about getting beat by a better team. He continues to field a flat team in big games and is showing a lack of creativity in his scheme to counter the problems in the run game. If this is all we get the rest of the year, we'll be in for a change.
 
Goose said our team walked out of the locker room at halftime while the panthers sprinted.

Little things like that let me know he's not paying attention and doesn't care about keeping the team fired up. Most likely not even trying to get the team motivated in the locker room if they're coming out that flat to the bench

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MikeSr619 said:
Goose said our team walked out of the locker room at halftime while the panthers sprinted.

Little things like that let me know he's not paying attention and doesn't care about keeping the team fired up. Most likely not even trying to get the team motivated in the locker room if they're coming out that flat to the bench

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I'm not sure I would characterize that as not paying attention or caring. If we can make the correlation between that and them not being fired up, I would put it out there that he doesn't have it in him or the team doesn't buy into him. That seems much more likely than him not trying or caring.
 
MikeSr619 said:
Goose said our team walked out of the locker room at halftime while the panthers sprinted.

Little things like that let me know he's not paying attention and doesn't care about keeping the team fired up. Most likely not even trying to get the team motivated in the locker room if they're coming out that flat to the bench

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This bothered me the most yesterday. It's really the first game that the team looked disinterested after being down big. In other games this year, they continued to fight to the end. Not yesterday. And the first sign was the way they came out of the locker room. And the next series and sack/fumble that leads to a TD. It was actually a predictable outcome on the series based on how the team came out of the half. I don't know what happens in the locker room, but other than the Bucs game, the team doesn't play well in that 3rd quarter.


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