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Lockerroom Blowup?

Moss is already underutilized.

The wheels are falling off. It's interesting to see the players saying things about Griffin. Maybe not the locker room and culture we thought it was? Hard to tell.
Moss is also one of the "drops one at the worst possible times" WR's this year. Every one on the team needs to chew their own ass out before passing the buck. This is what happens when big expectations aren't met.

Nothing new, or exclusive to this team, going on here.
 
I certainly hope and pray you are correct, and absolutely see that as being one of the possible outcomes. I was more commenting that another possible outcome could be what I described, and I would not have much trouble believing either of those.


Oh I know, I was just responding to what I thought (hoped) was going to happen :thumbsup:
 
The fact that a guy like Moss is calling Griffin out publicly speaks volumes, IMO. Moss is a man of few words, and I can't remember him ever throwing anyone under the bus. These seems like a last-ditch effort to me, like veterans have spoken to Robert and he just isn't responding. Either that, or he isn't accessible? Who knows.
 
So then, should Griffin call out missed blocks, blown assignments, and dropped passes?
 
The fact that a guy like Moss is calling Griffin out publicly speaks volumes, IMO. Moss is a man of few words, and I can't remember him ever throwing anyone under the bus. These seems like a last-ditch effort to me, like veterans have spoken to Robert and he just isn't responding. Either that, or he isn't accessible? Who knows.

I love Moss and this seems uncharacteristic for him. I would hope he's had a conversation with Griff himself if he feels he needs to, otherwise this is just throwing your QB under the bus. I love Moss, and I agree with his view on accountability when things aren't going well, especially in terms of the QB position. Only thing I'd ask him is why we haven't heard him discussing his own lack of production and mistakes this season? Maybe he's owned that and I've just missed it.

I'm old school when it comes to this stuff. I know the majority of you younger cats think getting stuff out there in social media and the 24/7 press is a 'good thing'. I just don't see how this kind of communication ever helps bring a team together and contributes to success. In my opinion problems like this need to be discussed in the lockerroom - that's what real men do.

This season just gets more disappointing by the second. I'm going to be watching Gruffin very closely. He needs to say all the right things the rest of the way, whether he means them or not.

I am really starting to wonder whether this team has what it takes to weather the pressure of this kind of a season. If we run off the first decent QB we've had in 20 years (whether he's an imperfect leader and still learning how to be a leader or not) I am done with this franchise. Moss should be helping Griffin grow, not dropping dimes on him to asshats like Lavatory Arrington
 
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This isn't directed at any one person but I find the media's desire to find a breaking story and create one when there isn't... almost laughable. Griffin like him or not is barely out of his teen years. 2nd year can't miss qbs usually have a lot of skills that need to be sharpened...why is he any different? I like many of you became intoxicated with his rookie season, defenses have found ways to defend against the read option. It doesn't mean it won't work , it doesn't mean Griffin has already hit his peak either. I think Griffin needs to quit talking so much because every sentence or phrase is being over analyzed.
 
Knock off the personal crap, gentlemen. That's not a request.
 
I love Moss and this seems uncharacteristic for him. I would hope he's had a conversation with Griff himself if he feels he needs to, otherwise this is just throwing your QB under the bus. I love Moss, and I agree with his view on accountability when things aren't going well, especially in terms of the QB position. Only thing I'd ask him is why we haven't heard him discussing his own lack of production and mistakes this season? Maybe he's owned that and I've just missed it.

I'm old school when it comes to this stuff. I know the majority of you younger cats think getting stuff out there in social media and the 24/7 press is a 'good thing'. I just don't see how this kind of communication ever helps bring a team together and contributes to success. In my opinion problems like this need to be discussed in the lockerroom - that's what real men do.

This season just gets more disappointing by the second. I'm going to be watching Gruffin very closely. He needs to say all the right things the rest of the way, whether he means them or not.

I am really starting to wonder whether this team has what it takes to weather the pressure of this kind of a season. If we run off the first decent QB we've had in 20 years (whether he's an imperfect leader and still learning how to be a leader or not) I am done with this franchise. Moss should be helping Griffin grow, not dropping dimes on him to asshats like Lavatory Arrington

I agree about social media, I don't think that's a good thing either. Great point about Moss owning up to his mistakes also...I seem to remember him saying something along the lines of "I need to get better," but I'm honestly not following this season as closely as I have in the past.

Finally, this season definitely gets more and more disappointing. So disappointing.

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Of course I do. Moss, or anybody else running off at the mouth to people outside the locker, need to know it too.

That's my point...Moss does know this. So if he's doing this publicly, it seems like a last resort.

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That's my point...Moss does know this. So if he's doing this publicly, it seems like a last resort.

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Or desperation on the part of a guy who knows his playing days are numbered, and is choosing to ignore what he knows he shouldn't do, in order to set himself to get paid next year, on another team.

It's wrong to do, no matter what the motivation is.
 
I listened to the Moss audio from 106.7 . I agree with others in that it seems like this may be a last ditch effort, he really took the gloves off. Moss trying to get another contract? Yeah, no. Griffin and Little Shanahan getting notice from a veteran player who has meant a great deal to this franchise? Yeah, I think so.

Oh, and the fan on fan crime around here is getting very old, same old pattern
 
Interesting take from John Keim.

RG III has more to learn
November, 20, 2013
NOV 20
8:30
AM ET
By John Keim | ESPN.com

When you’re a quarterback whose relationship with both the head coach and his offensive coordinator (and son) has been picked apart and questioned, you need to be careful about what you say. That was my reaction after Robert Griffin III talked Sunday night in Philadelphia. It just leads to more issues that a 3-7 team does not need.

That also was, to some degree, Santana Moss’ reaction. But it wasn’t just about the relationship between Griffin and Mike and Kyle Shanahan. It was the need for him to use two words -- me and I -- when things go wrong. As they did on the final play of the Redskins' 24-16 loss to the Philadelphia Eagles, when Griffin, backpedaling with a rusher coming at him, tried to launch a pass out of the end zone, but underthrew it. The pass was picked off, stifling the Redskins' comeback bid.

Last week, Griffin’s leadership was called into question, albeit by someone who has not been around the Redskins much at all: Hall of Famer Darrell Green. Players, knowing they could not get into a public spat with a guy like Green, responded privately with incredulity. Everyone I talked to privately about this raved about Griffin’s leadership.


The relationship between Mike Shanahan and Robert Griffin III remains under the microscope.

But one part of his responsibility is accepting full blame. The Washington Post’s Sally Jenkins wrote on that topic. Yes, Griffin needs to learn this. I don’t know if it’s an unwillingness to do so, or a desire to give a full explanation of a play, which is what he did Sunday night. He talked about how no one was open; he talked about how a guy was coming straight at him. Both things were true. It just took a long time for him to say, “It was something I shouldn’t do.” To many, that phrase got lost in the shuffle -- that’s not necessarily Griffin’s problem, by the way. Sometimes it’s a matter of reading the entire quote. Still, it should have been the only thing he said about this play.

Not every position must deal with the complexity of each play. A receiver runs a route and catches the ball or he doesn’t. A quarterback deals with more factors on every play. Griffin tries to give a full explanation; sometimes, especially after the pass he made Sunday, only one thing is needed: “My bad; that was a dumb decision and I’ll learn.” And move on.

Griffin’s honesty, at least in how he sees things, is welcomed (by people whose job it is to accurately depict what’s going on, be it a play or his thoughts on another matter).

But Moss sees it more simply.

Moss, on 106.7 The Fan’s LaVar and Dukes show, said, “As a leader, you understand that if you’re involved in the situation, whether you’re the receiver, the quarterback, the guys making the tackle, whoever, regardless of the outcome, good or bad, you have to at some point, stand up and say 'me' or 'I.'"

That’s fine. Griffin did say "I," but again, it was buried. He has to understand how his words will be dissected, especially if they appear to be a shot at the coaches. Griffin never directly said the Eagles knew what plays were coming; but he did say, “When it came to the passing game, a lot of times they were tit for tat. They were where they needed to be; they were taking away routes we were trying to run. That’s disheartening, but we have to make sure we come up with something to counteract that.”

Later in his Sunday presser, Griffin said the Redskins' offense had not become predictable. But that would be lost because his first statement, about coming up with something to counteract it, is the siren. Desired or not, it goes back to coaching. And his relationship with those coaches remains a big topic. The problem is, it’s not the first time Griffin has said something that leads to everyone reading between the lines when it comes to the coaches. (Another thing lost in the shuffle: What if Griffin is right? But given the history here, it's better said in private.)

More Moss: “And just to finish up, man, I just get tired of, and just to be honest with you, I get tired of stuff that people allow to be taken to stretch longer than what there really is.”

When Griffin says things like this, then the head coach responds by saying things as he did Monday, pointing out Griffin’s growing pains. Later, in his weekly Monday interview with CSN Washington, Shanahan said the final play wasn’t communicated properly. He didn’t say by whom, but it’s unlikely he means by his play-calling son. Griffin's comments, followed by Shanahan's, followed by Moss', makes this a four-day story because it will be revisited Wednesday.

Both Griffin and the coaches want to win. There doesn’t seem to be reason, yet, to believe they can’t win together. They don’t need to exchange Christmas cards; they need to win games.

But this still comes across as a relationship where both sides jockey for positioning. Shanahan is the coach and team president so he has power; Griffin is the face and future of the franchise so that gives him some as well. It’s not the first time a coach and quarterback have wrestled for power and it’s not the first time -- far, far from it -- where the two sides aren’t bosom buddies; but it’s not always played out with this much parsing of words and phrases. Griffin also is dealing with true adversity -- with people questioning his performance and future -- for the first time in his football career. The honeymoon period in Washington, with the fans as well, is over. It can lead to missteps (though behind closed doors players still talk about how he works and his approach; that matters a ton and, in the end, players want to see how you respond to adversity).

Some things are better left unsaid, or at least said in meeting rooms. When you’re 3-7 and coaching jobs and reputations are on the line, there are places you don’t need to go.

Link: Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN
 
This....when a long-time, respected veteran speaks, who rarely ever says much.....you listen.
I tend to agree with this line of thinking... there has GOT to be a good reason for him to take this to the airwaves.
 
Maybe. Or, it could be nothing more than wanting to be relevant. His production is way down from just last year.
 
Maybe. Or, it could be nothing more than wanting to be relevant. His production is way down from just last year.

What have you ever seen from Moss that would suggest he is capable of something like this? His production and performance has dipped in the past, and he's always owned up to it. I remember specifically after the Green Bay game a few years ago, when he dropped a couple passes, and tipped one interception, where he came out and owned up to it. He's done this in the past as well, always "we gotta do better, I gotta do better." What have you seen from him that would suggest he's all of a sudden a primadonna trying to get attention?
 

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