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Something to think about, when looking at a new head coach

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Of the last 16 Super Bowl Winners, 10 of them were won by a coach, who was on his 2nd stint as an NFL coach ; a coach, who failed to win a Super Bowl on his first HC gig in the NFL, but won it all, at his 2nd stint. Ten out of the last sixteen. That's an impressive number. What does that potentially say ?
Could there be any logic or reasoning from this ?
Perhaps the coach takes not only his failed lessons and experience that he learned the first time around, but he's even more hungry and motivated, to prove himself the second time around, because he knows it may be his last chance.
Just so you know I'm not pulling this out of nowhere, here's the last 16 Super Bowl Winning Head Coaches, and indicating the trophy was at their 2nd such job, and they had a prior "failed, first gig as an NFL Head Coach"


2012 John Harbaugh (exception to rule)
2011 Tom Coughlin ** HC with Jaguars and no Super Bowl, then won with Giants, twice)
2010 Mike McCarthy (exception to rule)
2009 Sean Payton (exception to rule)
2008 Mike Tomlin (exception to rule)
2007 Tom Coughlin ** HC with Jaguars and no Super Bowl, then won with Giants)
2006 Tony Dungy ** HC with Buccanneers and no Super Bowl, then won with Indy)
2005 Bill Cowher (exception to rule)
2004 Bill Bellichek **HC at Cleveland and no Super Bowl, then won with Pats three times)
2003 Bill Bellichek **HC at Cleveland and no Super Bowl, then won with Pats three times)
2002 Jon Gruden ** HC at Oakland and no Super Bowl, then won with Bucs)
2001 Bill Bellichek **HC at Cleveland and no Super Bowl, then won with Pats three times)
2000 Brian Billick (exception to rule)
1999 Dick Vermeil ** HC at Philly and no Super Bowl, then won with St Louis)
1998 Mike Shanahan ** HC at Los Angeles and no Super Bowl, then won in Denver twice
1997 Mike Shanahan ** HC at Los Angeles and no Super Bowl, then won in Denver twice

Obviously, as you can see in Mike Shanahan's case, you don't want to hire a guy who's already won the Super Bowl. But of course he's on the list, because he started as a HC with the Raiders. Hiring a previous Super Bowl winner has never worked out. Perhaps they lose the "drive" the next time around.
So you want the guy with the NFL Head Coaching experience, but STILL HAS THE HUNGER to win his first !!!
So maybe a few things might be over-rated, such as hiring a guy who already won a Super Bowl, or hiring the hottest name among NFL assistants, or hiring the trendy name from the college ranks.

So the idea is to hire a HC who had ONE previous gig as an NFL Head Coach, and it was NOT a Super Bowl Championship.


So.....what names can you come up with, that fit that criteria ?
 

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Funny thing is that as you go through that list, you can easily name a special player or two from each of those teams that helped propel them to glory, either on the offensive or defensive side of the ball. Did Belicheck have a Brady in Cleveland? Was Elway behind center for Shanny while in silver and black?

We got out of the wilderness a year ago, and now find ourselves lost again this year primarily due to the performance of our quarterback. If Robert Griffin returns to his rookie year form and rediscovers the amazing talent he displayed in 2012, we'll be one step closer towards making the coaching situation in Washington a non-issue for the foreseeable future.
 

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Funny thing is that as you go through that list, you can easily name a special player or two from each of those teams that helped propel them to glory, either on the offensive or defensive side of the ball. Did Belicheck have a Brady in Cleveland? Was Elway behind center for Shanny while in silver and black?
It doesn't even have to be a Brady or Elway.
It could be Brad Johnson, on that list.
RG3 could be that special player. He could be our John Elway, or our Brad Johnson. Just with the wrong coach. We've already seen the damage Shan The Man has done with RG's potential.
And we've already got a player or 2, on both sides of the ball, that could be that man to propel us.
 
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I don't even know what I want in a new coach yet. I want the trash we have now gone then I can think about that.
 

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First of all, those 10 super bowls were won by 6 retread coaches, while the other 6 were one time winners so 6 retread coaches won SB's and 6 first time coaches won SB's too.

As for our problem, I blame it all on Snyder because i'm pretty sure that if he'd have kept Schottenheimer for these last 12 years of shit we'd have at least gone to the playoffs in 8-10 them and Schottenheimer just needed to be forced to get a real OC which did actually happen in San Diego, and even if we never won a SB it would have been 100x better than the cluster**** we've all enjoyed so much.

So since you can't fire the owner then you know what we'll likely be watching for another few decades.
 
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If Rex Ryan gets the boot I hope we consider him for a new DC. Cower and Gruden are the names always mentioned for head coach vacancies. Baylor's head coach? Does he have any NFL aspirations?
 

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I think we need to stick with Shanahan, and replace Haslett. The defense should not be as bad as it is. Bring in Wade Phillips or Rex Ryan to run the unit and start dominating people.
 

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you're confusing rex with rob. rex = HC in NJ, rob = DC in NO.
 

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I'm not sold on Rob Ryan - he was awful in Dallas, but is having some success in New Orleans. Last night he got worked though.
 

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**** no on either Ryan brother!
 

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I don't think Shammy, if he's not fired himself, will get rid of Haslett.

Of course, if he does replace Haslett, maybe he can bring back Lou Spanos, and give him a shot.
 

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I just think Shanny and son have failed to show that they can get results. My favorite kind of coach is one that can field at least a competitive team by maximizing potential and getting the most he can out of players. It might be by scheme, it may require patience if roster is lacking enough talent. A coach that can develop a young qb is trait I want to see because we finally have a franchise qb.
Last season I'll give credit where credit is due. Shanny and Kyle took notice at how the Panthers integrated Cam Newton and a play book that was suited to his talents instead of trying to make the qb fit the system...I see similar results in the second year development. I think our coaching has failed in the second season with Griffin. I think they had the entire offseason and the preseason to plan around Griffin's injury. They should have known there might be some transition struggles...At the very least a game plan should have been implemented to help Griffin out by reducing his exposure until he found a rhythm with his receivers. Way too often the running game was abandoned when they should have just been patient. If Griffin is struggling with protection, adjustments need to be made. Quicker designed plays are a given. I don't have the stats in front of me but my eyes tell me Griffin plays a lot better in a hurry up or faster pace. Shanny and son seemed to be in love with the potential of their own game plan and neglected adjustments to help the team develop all season. Name me 1 game where we saw 4 quarters of decent play? Just one and I'll listen to how we should be patient with Shanahan...
 
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I have watched many Broncos games this year and a couple of Pats games too. Brady and Manning are arguably the best QB's in the league. If you follow them, you'll notice (especially Payton) they systematically drive down the field taking what is given to them...not forcing the issue. We always seem to try to force things...at the most inopportune moments in the game.
 

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I have watched many Broncos games this year and a couple of Pats games too. Brady and Manning are arguably the best QB's in the league. If you follow them, you'll notice (especially Payton) they systematically drive down the field taking what is given to them...not forcing the issue. We always seem to try to force things...at the most inopportune moments in the game.
This has always been my problem with Kyle's playcalling, but it has been simplified (partially by myself) into "abandoning the run." Terminology that a lot of people disagree with. However, this more aptly describes my problem with it - abandoning the run at inopportune moments, trying to force success with a big playcall. The most obvious example was against Denver after they tied the game - a 3 and out on 3 straight passes (in Kyle's defense I think 2 were dropped) when running the ball would have been the better option.
 

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This has always been my problem with Kyle's playcalling, but it has been simplified (partially by myself) into "abandoning the run." Terminology that a lot of people disagree with. However, this more aptly describes my problem with it - abandoning the run at inopportune moments, trying to force success with a big playcall. The most obvious example was against Denver after they tied the game - a 3 and out on 3 straight passes (in Kyle's defense I think 2 were dropped) when running the ball would have been the better option.
And I am afraid that has bled into Robert's psyche...he attempts to do too much and misses what is right in front of him.
 

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I completely understand the broad brush "abandon the run" argument.I think we can agree a coach cannot allow his franchise qb to be used as a practice dummy...as was the case often this season. The running game is a fairly popular and proven way to help a qb find his way. It's also a way to wear down a pass rush. Can we at least agree to that? The running game is often judged by stats like first downs,yards gained and such. wearing down a dline doesn't show in a stat sheet.The luxury of having a great defense is more options for the offense...I guess that kind of summarizes my observation.
 

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...The running game is often judged by stats like first downs,yards gained and such. wearing down a dline doesn't show in a stat sheet.
I have been to many games this year and usually sit in the same section. The fans around me hear me say this all the time after a 1, 2, or 3 yard run..."That's fine! Run it again!" Morris is good at picking up 3 or 4 yards. If he can get 3 or 4 yards on 1st and second, it always leaves a manageable 3rd down. Obviously we can't do that all the time, but get that part of our game going and we can dictate the action and wear down the defense. Instead, we see the opposite far too often, as soon as Morris only gets a yard or two, Kyle throws it.
 

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I'm not sold on Rob Ryan - he was awful in Dallas, but is having some success in New Orleans. Last night he got worked though.
Judging people by their performance in Dallas is like judging people by their performance in Washington.
 

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