Random Commanders Thoughts

[Win4us]

I hear you brother. And appreciate you

I get it 100%, it just sucks is all

 

[MikefromOH]

Sean Taylor would have been retired by now. It is weird to think that since all I see are highlights of him hitting like a monster, but 16 years would have definitely been enough.

 

[SilentThreat]

Sean Taylor would have been retired by now. It is weird to think that since all I see are highlights of him hitting like a monster, but 16 years would have definitely been enough.

Yeah, and I think the game would have pushed him out of effectiveness. He was good enough to adjust, but his game would have had to change over the 2nd half of his career.

 

[MikefromOH]

Yeah, and I think the game would have pushed him out of effectiveness. He was good enough to adjust, but his game would have had to change over the 2nd half of his career.

I never saw him lowering his head unless he intended to. When he took out McNabb, he knew that was a cheap hit. But, he was a pure tackler....he just tackled harder and better than anyone else.

 

[SilentThreat]

I never saw him lowering his head unless he intended to. When he took our McNabb, he knew that was a cheap hit. But, he was a pure tackler....he just tackled harder and better than anyone else.

I agree, but the game is different now. We've seen a lot of impacts that dont include the head get flagged because they looked violent. He also was not afraid to intimidate. He harassed WRs.

 

[MikefromOH]

ok.

 

[SilentThreat]

ok.

just talkin brother.


Sean was a pure bred football player, i have no doubt that he would still be successful. Not trying to say different.

 

[Boone]

Biggest question with ST would’ve been his health. You have to think with the way he played that concussions may have become a problem. I know he gave more than he got, but no one has ever routinely put hits on guys as violently as he did.

 

[SilentThreat]

True, but to MikefromOH 's point, he rarely initiated head to head contact. He was pure in his ability to form tackle.

 

[Boone]

I didn’t say he was a head hunter - but he had his share of ‘bell rung’ moments and just my opinion in today’s concussion-sensitive game his career might not have been as long as we think. Hard not to incur some damage with those kinds of violent hits even if you are the one dishing them out.

 

[SilentThreat]

I didn’t say he was a head hunter - but he had his share of ‘bell rung’ moments and just my opinion in today’s concussion-sensitive game his career might not have been as long as we think. Hard not to incur some damage with those kinds of violent hits even if you are the one dishing them out.

i get it, you would hope with his propensity to avoid leading with his head that he could avoid it, but when you play as violent as he does, going 100MPH all the time, you're susceptible to contact with your head, even if it's not helmet to helmet.

 

[Boone]

Tragedy is we never got to find out. Best Redskin player I ever saw play live. There’s never been a Redskin who could take over or turn a game on his own like he could, before or since.

 

[Bulldog]

Green in the ‘80s was that kind of player.

But that comparison shows how far Taylor would have come if only.....,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

 

[SilentThreat]

 

[Boone]

That is about as depressing as it gets. Love Chase but he can never hope to have the impact someone like Burrow could have had. Feels like the stars can never ever line up for this team when it comes to the QB position.

 

[SilentThreat]

That is about as depressing as it gets. Love Chase but he can never hope to have the impact someone like Burrow could have had. Feels like the stars can never ever line up for this team when it comes to the QB position.

Having this debate on another Washington Football Team board...

I think our issue at QB has not been where we've picked, or the alignment of the stars, it's been the evaluators. I'm not saying we should bank on finding a guy in the 5th, but Big Ben was picked 11th... Matt Ryan 3rd... we will likely have a shot at 3 different first round QBs in this draft, it's up to Smith, Rivera, Zampese, and Turner to figure out which one will work, if any.

 

[Boone]

Of course. Like we have on numerous other occasions. You can’t tell me this franchise hasn’t been the most snake-bit in NFL history when it comes to being able to find a decent starting QB. It defies belief. I get it’s a new administration and some new talent evaluators. But it’s still this franchise. I’m not sure anything short of exorcism can cure it’s ills.

 

[SilentThreat]

Of course. Like we have on numerous other occasions. You can’t tell me this franchise hasn’t been the most snake-bit in NFL history when it comes to being able to find a decent starting QB. It defies belief. I get it’s a new administration and some new talent evaluators. But it’s still this franchise. I’m not sure anything short of exorcism can cure it’s ills.

Fair enough, but i ask you to look at this way. Who are we taking?

RG3? He's the last 'elite' talent pick we've made at the position and he was largely not a pro-style QB. He did not show any ability to protect himself and it was proven. The hit on his knee was not a freak injury, it was him trying to make a play, then DIVING instead of protecting himself. It all went down hill from there.

Kirk Cousins? Bruce and Dan bungled that situation, and he's not elite either. He was in the good - really good category. That was not a snake bit, that was us jacking with a player and that player deciding to leave


Now I will agree that the Alex Smith and Kyle Allen injuries were freak injuries, but I will to this day argue that Gruden is responsible for that injury. We were playing against one of the top 3 dominant interior lineman on 3rd and 9, and we have Morgan Moses man to man against J.J. Watt. There was a single back lined up next to Alex who's job was to leak to the left, no pass pro responsibility, and there was no hot read. Alex got engulfed before he could do anything. Now this COULD be on the center or Alex for not adjusting the protection package... It COULD be that Alex missed the blitz, Quinn was open because the corner rushed, but at the end of the day if you leave Morgan Moses 1v1 on JJ Watt, bad things are going to happen.... the corner came on a blitz and 3 guys met at Alex, torqueing his leg. Could this have been avoided? Yeah it could have... You can't 'plan' for it, but you can scheme to protect your QB and we didn't do that. No TE chip, no screen, misdirection, or hot read... Just a line up and hope it works mentality.

Allen was a lot more of a freak injury, i'll give you that. Gibson did his best to chip, but Peppers just got through and it was a leg whip. The protection could have been different, but we're still talking about Kyle Allen. A lot of us were hoping he could be a bridge guy and maybe surprise us all and be better than average, but he's been widely regarded as a career backup... Ron Rivera's version of Colt McCoy.

Colt McCoy broke his leg trying to extend a play.

Look at this talent....

1993	Mark Rypien (10) / Rich Gannon (4) / Cary Conklin (2)
1994	Heath Shuler (8) / John Friesz (4) / Gus Frerotte (4)
1995	Gus Frerotte (11) / Heath Shuler (5)
1996	Gus Frerotte (16)
1997	Gus Frerotte (13) / Jeff Hostetler (3)
1998	Trent Green (14) / Gus Frerotte (2)
1999	Brad Johnson (16)
2000	Brad Johnson (11) / Jeff George (5)
2001	Tony Banks (14) / Jeff George (2)
2002	Shane Matthews (7) / Patrick Ramsey (5) / Danny Wuerffel (4)
2003	Patrick Ramsey (11) / Tim Hasselbeck (5)
2004	Mark Brunell (9) / Patrick Ramsey (7)
2005	Mark Brunell (15) / Patrick Ramsey (1)
2006	Mark Brunell (9) / Jason Campbell (7)
2007	Jason Campbell (13) / Todd Collins (3)
2008	Jason Campbell (16)
2009	Jason Campbell (16)
2010	Donovan McNabb (13) / Rex Grossman (3)
2011	Rex Grossman (13) / John Beck (3)
2012	Robert Griffin III (15) / Kirk Cousins (1)
2013	Robert Griffin III (13) / Kirk Cousins (3)
2014	Robert Griffin III (7) / Kirk Cousins (5) / Colt McCoy (4)
2015	Kirk Cousins (16)
2016	Kirk Cousins (16)
2017	Kirk Cousins (16)
2018	Alex Smith (10) / Josh Johnson (3) / Colt McCoy (2) / Mark Sanchez (1)
2019	Case Keenum (8) / Dwayne Haskins (7) / Colt McCoy (1)
2020	Dwayne Haskins (4) / Kyle Allen (4) / Alex Smith (1)

 

[Kel Varnsen]

Having this debate on another Washington Football Team board...

I think our issue at QB has not been where we've picked, or the alignment of the stars, it's been the evaluators. I'm not saying we should bank on finding a guy in the 5th, but Big Ben was picked 11th... Matt Ryan 3rd... we will likely have a shot at 3 different first round QBs in this draft, it's up to Smith, Rivera, Zampese, and Turner to figure out which one will work, if any.

Agree 100%. It’s always about who you pick, not where you pick. Yes, picking higher gives you the chance to pick who you want. But they still have to be the right pick. There have been a lot of bigger misses at higher draft picks than the Redskins recent history of failures. You have to have the right people picking the right guys.

 

[Win4us]

Another key factor is our team has NEVER been able to maximize talent from a player., especially at QB. It’s as if a player has success with Washington it’s in spite of the coaching.