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Pete Carroll : FedEx field conditions, "horrible"

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Fear The Spear

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This had to be a huge factor in RG3 injuring the knee 2 more times in this game, without even incurring contact either time. So now, besides blaming the coach and QB, we spread the blame to the grounds-crew ?

How many draft picks do you predict Mara and Goodell will penalize us for on this one, to add insult to injury, once again ?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog...ch-pete-carroll-calls-fedex-field-gras/print/
 

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Yeah, I think I just saw that Clemons may sue us or something. Awesome.

The field was a disaster, but that's Snyder. Any way he can make a buck, he'll do it, even if it means ****ing up the field so much that his shiny new toy injures himself.

Moron.
 

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As soon as RGIII went down the second time, I saw his cleat get stuck in the turf. Nice.

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This had to be a huge factor in RG3 injuring the knee 2 more times in this game, without even incurring contact either time. So now, besides blaming the coach and QB, we spread the blame to the grounds-crew ?

How many draft picks do you predict Mara and Goodell will penalize us for on this one, to add insult to injury, once again ?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog...ch-pete-carroll-calls-fedex-field-gras/print/
How about ....RG3 didn't belong out there to begin with instead?

Robert hasn't really been able to protect himself for a month now and after he re-aggravated it in the 2nd, the Coach should've pulled him.
Shanny picked the wrong day to lose his testicular fortitude when dealing with player ego.

If Morris,Garcon..heck anyone else been hobbled, he'd have benched 'em.

Redskins fans are now screaming for field turf....Horse Hockey!

Fire the head groundskeeper and get someone in here that's competent.

Problem solved.
 

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How about ....RG3 didn't belong out there to begin with instead?

Robert hasn't really been able to protect himself for a month now and after he re-aggravated it in the 2nd, the Coach should've pulled him.
Shanny picked the wrong day to lose his testicular fortitude when dealing with player ego.

If Morris,Garcon..heck anyone else been hobbled, he'd have benched 'em.

Redskins fans are now screaming for field turf....Horse Hockey!

Fire the head groundskeeper and get someone in here that's competent.

Problem solved.
I did not deny that there was a bad call to keep him in there.
Read my post. It says it was a huge factor..... It didn't help matters.
It was a compounding, of an already bad situation, and that situation was, that RG3 was not in a condition to be out there to begin with.
In other words : B*B*B*B*B = B to the 5th exponential power.
You could also make the case the Monty is PARTLY to blame for the bad snap that brought his injury to the climax. But does that mean I'm saying Monty is the ONLY one to blame ? Of course not. He's just one of the "exponential B" powers, and some of those "B powers" are greater reasons than others.

Bad coaching decision * Stubborn and nearsighted QB in regards to his injury * Lack of sufficient consultation with expert Doctor * Poor Groundskeeping * Poor snaps from center, did I miss anything ? They're ALL factors. Naturally, they're not ALL EQUAL factors, and EQUAL ROLES, but all factors, nonetheless.

And let me throw in another possible factpr - the quality of the brace. How effective could that brace be, if it caused such a serious reinjury from such a miinor twist. I'm no medical expert, and I'm not pointing to that as another source of blame, but it's something to possibly consider, that the brace that was meant to protect him, seem to do very little of that.
 
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FWIW - Dr. Andrews has said field condition had no impact on injury.
 

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Fear, I like this post you made. Zeroing in on one thing as THE cause is usually an emotion-driven mistake.

Griffin took competitiveness to a judgement clouding extreme-competitiveness is good but good judgement should always take priority. When emotion overwhelms reason eventually bad things happen.

Mike Shanahan, who during his entire tenure here I have defended many times and places including this board made a confidence-shattering example of poor judgement that now has me in "evaluation mode" on several levels.


And I don't care about any "football was meant to be played on grass" nostalgia bulls**t, Field Turf is an option that needs to be considered. Helmet and padding redesign has been in operation to lessen the likelihood and severity of injury and there is no good reason not to include the field for the same reason.
 

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For a franchise supposedly worth so much, how come the Redskins always seem to be behind the curve on several improvements?

Jumbotron? A nice one finally installed at FedEx a decade or so after almost every other stadium built since included one.

Indoor practice facility? Just got built for this season

Field turf? We'll see.
 

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For a franchise supposedly worth so much, how come the Redskins always seem to be behind the curve on several improvements?

Jumbotron? A nice one finally installed at FedEx a decade or so after almost every other stadium built since included one.

Indoor practice facility? Just got built for this season

Field turf? We'll see.
How about a functional headset system at HOME? Hell, it's been malfunctioning since the Jason Campbell days and it's cost us enough timeouts.

However, I'm against field turf. Leg injuries are MORE common on field turf.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/14/us-nfl-leg-injuries-idUSBRE88D1KT20120914
 

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As someone who was a landscaper for the better part of two decades, I can tell you all the crap you're hearing about the turf is bs. I'll tell you why....

Grass does not grow in winter. Period. Some of it may look green, and rye, which technically is a reed and not grass, will grow a little, but you can't exactly plant rye on a football field. It grows straight up in the air, and forms large, thick clusters at the base. To plant this would be severely damaging to anyone attempting to play on it.

Typically on any sports field, you have two options for grass. Bent grass, which would cost millions a year for an NFL field, and 419 Bermuda. Bermuda is a southern summer grass. In the winter, it looks like our field looked on Sunday. It's weak, it falls apart if you look at it wrong, and there is absolutely nothing you can do to it to make it better. The roots shrink and become too weak to hold it into the soil. So you step on it, it comes up.

People want to say sod it. That would be all fine and dandy, but sod has an extra problem. For starters, there are seems in sod, impossible to avoid. That gives an added thing to trip people up. It's like when you trip on the edge of an area rug at a store and nearly bust your ass trying not to fall. Also, sod has plastic mesh in it. Since this mesh is typically about half an inch under the surface, cleats could easily catch it, and pull it up. This would result in a player running down field full stride, and risking a cleat catching the mesh, and pretty much tearing their leg out of socket as their leg stopped but their body continued its course. Sod is fine to get the field going for the season, but redoing it during the season has the potential for disaster.

That being said, the grass sucks because it's DC and it's winter. Tough ****. There are a few things that could be done to improve the actual field though. They could install a heating system in the ground like they did in Green Bay. It would keep the roots warmer, and allow the grass to do a little better. But you would still have the elements to contend with. And running on it with cleats would still tear it apart. Lambeau actually has a synthetic fiber woven into the sod to further improve their situation there, so all the talk of "if they can grow grass in Lambeau, they can do it here" is bs. They aren't really doing it there, most of their "grass" isn't grass, it's a plastic composite material. An illusion.

They could also install several dry wells. The reason this would be beneficial, is because when it rained or snowed, FedEx wouldn't get so soggy. When a field gets soggy, even if it dries out, it will be in horrible shape for about a week or two this time of year.

So there are improvements that could be made. The problem is, they are extremely expensive, which would come back on the fans very heavily, jobs would be lost to a combination of cost cutting and need for less personnel to maintain it, and in the end, guess what? It would prevent practically nothing from happening. That's the catch-22. They could do all that, and surprise surprise, injuries are still going to happen, and they will still happen at the same rate and with the same severity.

Not only do most sports injuries occur on artificial turf, but they are almost always the most severe and lingering injuries as well, so anyone calling for the fake **** needs to carry their ass and get a clue.

The field did not hurt Griff. **** happens. Shannahan should have pulled him, but Griff should have known better too. You can't blame the ground. I've torn my ACL in both knees, and my MCL in my right knee. Three seperate injuries, not a one happened on grass. Once was on carpet, once on concrete, and once on my kitchen floor. It just plain happens.
 

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Pete Carroll can shut the hell up. Is there a team in this league that talks more and whines more than the Seahawks these days?
 

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Hey Pete, are you talking about Fedex Field, or your crooked stewardship at USC?
 

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Field condition is a non issue. Games been played on fields like that forever. It's part of the game. Turf is far worse for injuries than grass. Losing you footing is much better than having your shoe glued to the turf and getting twisted up. Sprained ankles on grass turn into popped ligaments on turg.
 

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Good luck with your lawsuit Clemons. Of course by the time you file you will probably be with you seventh or eighth team.

I suppose Clemons never played on the artificial turf at Veterans in Philly back in the day or that crap they have in Cincinnati.....
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Anyone pay attention to the condition of both fields in today's playoff games? Both were as bad, in fact San Fran looks worse.
 

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Yeah, you shut your whore mouth Pete Carrol.

With that being said there's gotta be a way to improve the field next season. Unless, this was the skins plan all along to "slow down" the seaturds. I mean they're used to speedy turf?
 

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