Our next Head Coach.....

[TomSkinsFan]

I REALLY would like our next HC to be someone who is so successful that we have him here for many, many years. I mean look at a team like Pittsburgh. They've had 3 coaches over the course of 4 or 5 decades, right? Does anyone have a list of all of our coaches since like the 70s and their tenure?

 

[tshile]

List of Washington Redskins head coaches - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

it looks like we went through this sort of stint in the '40s/'50s.

maybe some of the folks around here (ax, fansince) can tell us about those days

 

[Nobody]

This is what's going to happen with our staff. We're going to hire Darrell Bevell as our next HC. He will immediately fire Jim Hasbeen, and replace him with Jim Schwartz or Leslie Frazier (although I'd strongly prefer Wade Phillips), and bring in someone young from college to run the offense like Mike Bobo or Dave Christensen.

This would be a common sense assembly of a staff. Buuuut, since this organization is run like a flea market, we'll probably get some retread turd like Bill Cowher as HC, and he'll bring in all of his old Pittsburgh buddies who have also been passed up by the game, and we'll spend a few seasons hovering just outside of playoff contention before he's fired.

Whatever happens, I just really hope we don't bring in some defensive guru as our HC. I'm sure there have been some that were successful, but off the top of my head, it seems like every defensive coach that has been a head coach in recent memory has been a miserable coach.

 

[McD5]

No need to worry--Bill Cowher is out.

Cowher is strongly believed to want total control, ala Shanahan.

Once Bruce was promoted, that rumor died quickly.

 

[Elephant]

Let's see, Bill Belichek - DC. Bill Cowher DC. Tony Dungy - DC. Mike Tomlin - DC.

That is 6 of the last 12 Super Bowl Champion coaches.

John Harbaugh got his start as a defensive backs coach so he should be included there as well.

There have been 8 different teams who have won a SB over the past 10 years. 4 of them were coached by former defensive coaches and Pittsburgh was coached by 2 different defensive coordinators so that is 5.

 

[servumtuum]

Add Sean McDermott, DC of the Carolina Panthers to the list of those the Redskins are planning to interview for the job of HC.

 

[Nobody]

Let's see, Bill Belichek - DC. Bill Cowher DC. Tony Dungy - DC. Mike Tomlin - DC.

That is 6 of the last 12 Super Bowl Champion coaches.

John Harbaugh got his start as a defensive backs coach so he should be included there as well.

There have been 8 different teams who have won a SB over the past 10 years. 4 of them were coached by former defensive coaches and Pittsburgh was coached by 2 different defensive coordinators so that is 5.

Bill Belichick started out as an offensive guy, transitioned to special teams, then became a defensive coach. Cowher is only a slightly above average coach. He's one of those guys who can win 6 or win 12, all with the same team, which makes me believe his record is more because of his team and not his abilities as a coach. If he coaches somewhere else, that's what will determine his actual abilities. Good coaches can be successful in more than one city. Mike Tomlin played offense, and started out coaching offense. Like Belichick, he's not an example that fits the type of coach I was referring to. John Harbaugh for the first half of his coaching career coached offense and special teams. He only became a defensive guy later on. The only guy on this list that fits the defensive coach mold I was talking about is Tony Dungy.

When I say I don't want a defensive coach as HC, I mean more along the line of guys like Wade Phillips, Marvin Lewis, Jim Schwartz, Romeo Crennel, Rex Ryan, Jeff Fisher, guys like that. Where they are great defensive guys, but outside of a season or two never had much success as a head coach. Then you have guys like Jim Haslett that suck all around. If they were to promote him to HC, I'd hang myself

 

[SilentThreat]

I REALLY would like our next HC to be someone who is so successful that we have him here for many, many years. I mean look at a team like Pittsburgh. They've had 3 coaches over the course of 4 or 5 decades, right? Does anyone have a list of all of our coaches since like the 70s and their tenure?

I'm with you Unc. I want to see someone come in here and stay here. Not only because it would help diffuse everlasting crap ball we have rolling around about us, but it also means there is a consistent level of success to warrant keeping a coach around. I want consistency and it starts at the top. Hard for players to be dedicated to something, if that thing changes on a yearly basis. That being said, dedication has to be believed in, and earned. The players need to believe in what they're doing, before they can play at 100%.

 

[Boone]

Cowher has an OUTSTANDING coaching record guys. And he built that record mostly with a bunch of no name QBs. Cowher doesn't get the respect he deserves IMHO because he is kind of a dull, blue collar guy. He doesn't 'excite' people. But all he did was win, win, win in Pittsburgh. Don't make me pull the stats. To say he was an 'average' coach - there's just no factual basis for that.

 

[Burgundy Burner]

The point is moot. Cowher is staying in the TV booth and there is nothing to suggest otherwise.

 

[Boone]

I agree, but I have a problem with people throwing statements out there as 'fact' that are totally unsupportable

 

[Goaldeje]

Fact: I'm a better lover than you are.

Dispute that, beyotch.

 

[SC_RedskinsFan]

The point is moot. Cowher is staying in the TV booth and there is nothing to suggest otherwise.

I for one am happy about that! I don't think we need a head coach who already made a name for himself as head coach for another team. We need a hungry new younger head coach that is driven to make a name for himself here. Kinda like Gibbs did with us.

I think we will be appealing for that type of coach. Like others have said we have some pretty good players in our skill positions, we are one year removed from winning the division, lots of cap space to work with. A young coach could motivate and fire up this team, unlike what we just had where it had been almost 15 years since he won a Super Bowl.

 

[Boone]

Fact: I'm a better lover than you are.

Dispute that, beyotch.

I only really have access to the equipment, what, 30-45 minutes a week, and that's on a good week. How can I be expected to have the same expertise as people who own this equipment and have access to it 24 hours a day their entire lives?

 

[Boone]

I for one am happy about that! I don't think we need a head coach who already made a name for himself as head coach for another team. We need a hungry new younger head coach that is driven to make a name for himself here. Kinda like Gibbs did with us.

I think we will be appealing for that type of coach. Like others have said we have some pretty good players in our skill positions, we are one year removed from winning the division, lots of cap space to work with. A young coach could motivate and fire up this team, unlike what we just had where it had been almost 15 years since he won a Super Bowl.

I agree with this. I've heard several others voice the need to hire someone with some fire and determination to make it in their first head coaching role. The problem I have is that I have nearly zero confidence that we have the organizational astuteness to find that guy, or the patience to stick with him through the requisite growing pains. I hope I'm wrong. I'm not sure Bruce Allen would know a great young coach if one bit him in the ass. I think there's a lot more that needs to be looked at other than interviewing skills and I'm highly skeptical he knows what those things are and can find 'the guy'. I'm hoping over the past month that the Redskins have done some real soul-searching in terms of figuring out what the most important qualities are that they're looking for in a new head coach. Because if you don't know that up front, the odds of finding your guy are slim.

 

[Fear The Spear]

It's gonna take a lot more than a young, hungry guy in his first gig.

Turner, Spurrier, Zorn ?

 

[Nobody]

Cowher has an OUTSTANDING coaching record guys. And he built that record mostly with a bunch of no name QBs. Cowher doesn't get the respect he deserves IMHO because he is kind of a dull, blue collar guy. He doesn't 'excite' people. But all he did was win, win, win in Pittsburgh. Don't make me pull the stats. To say he was an 'average' coach - there's just no factual basis for that.

During his tenure, half his seasons were good, half sucked. And he accomplished that in a division that was the weakest in the league almost every year he coached, as evidenced by the fact they would get into the playoffs because they won their weak division, and almost immediately got bounced out of the playoffs every year, with a couple of exceptions.

I will admit I personally just don't like the guy because he's an egotistical control freak, and exactly what I hate in a coach, but I also don't believe he's the elite caliber coach some people like to make him out to be, because the numbers don't back that either. 8 of the 10 times he took his team to the playoffs, they were bounced out in the first or second game. His career postseason record of 12-9 isn't anything to get excited over, because any coach who makes the postseason 10 times should have more than 12 wins. I don't know of many people who consider Dan Reeves an elite coach, but with fewer trips to the postseason than Cowher, he had a similar record. What you do during the regular season means nothing if you can't win the ones that matter, which Cowher wasn't good at. I'd rather have a 9-7 coach that makes championship runs than a 12-4 coach who blows the first or second game every year. But that's just my opinion. A lot of people seem to salivate over Cowher, I just don't get it.

Not to mention, the odds of a coach winning a Super Bowl with multiple teams is extremely slim. Retreads almost never work for anybody. Not only that, but Cowher hasn't coached in a while. Too much has changed in the NFL for him to be a factor anymore if evidence from past coaches taking extended breaks shows anything.

 

[Boone]

We weren't discussing whether he would be the right coach for the Redskins - I tend to agree we need a young, hungry guy, not a retread. But you cannot support 'Cowher is an average coach'. He consistently fielded teams that won the division. The Steelers under his leadership were a playoff team 10 out of 15 seasons! Only 3 times in those 15 years did they finish under .500. He got better too as time went on (how often is that true for head coaches?) - posting 11 or more wins in 4 of his last 6 seasons. Yeah, they only made it to the big game twice in his tenure and only won once. But characterizing him as an 'average' coach when he sports a career NFL record of 149-90-1 record (.623) is really ridiculous. You don't like him. That's accurate. 'Average coach' is not. It's not debatable. And even his playoff record of 12-9 (.571) is nothing to smirk at.

 

[Burgundy Burner]

I agree with this. I've heard several others voice the need to hire someone with some fire and determination to make it in their first head coaching role. The problem I have is that I have nearly zero confidence that we have the organizational astuteness to find that guy, or the patience to stick with him through the requisite growing pains. I hope I'm wrong. I'm not sure Bruce Allen would know a great young coach if one bit him in the ass. I think there's a lot more that needs to be looked at other than interviewing skills and I'm highly skeptical he knows what those things are and can find 'the guy'. I'm hoping over the past month that the Redskins have done some real soul-searching in terms of figuring out what the most important qualities are that they're looking for in a new head coach. Because if you don't know that up front, the odds of finding your guy are slim.

Your assessment of Bruce Allen is far different than mine. It's no secret that Al Davis had very little to show for his efforts since the late 1980s. Bruce Allen comes aboard and finds Jon Gruden. He also assembled a pretty good team. Al Davis gets the big head again and thinks he is back to being a football genius. Gruden and Allen head off to Tampa and win a SB. At that juncture, the Glazers thought they knew as much, if not more, than Al Davis.

Those two teams were successful during those short periods of time due to the efforts of Bruce Allen, not Davis or the Glazers. Oakland went downhill fast and the Bucs followed to where they are at this time. If Bruce can find stability here and work well with Mr. Campbell and Mr. Brown, then we can hope to enjoy long term successes. No guarantees of course, but the track record indicates that that we could be on the right path.

 

[Nobody]

I get where you're coming from, I just don't give as much credit to a coach who was consistently winning a weak division as I would to someone who was winning a tough division. Especially when they get in the playoffs and lose with regularity. 12 playoff wins is impressive, it's just not impressive to me when it takes 10 trips to accumulate those wins.