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OC Contract Expiring, What Next?

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KDawg

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The way I understand it, after this coming season Kyle Shanahan's contract with the Washington Redskins as offensive coordinator is going to expire. Couple that with the news that tshile posted from the Washington Post that Kyle may be in contention for the Eagles job and you have yourself needing to think about the future.

On one hand, if Kyle is offered a job elsewhere, it's a real possibility he leaves. So if the team wants to keep him, the team may need to promise him the head coaching position when Mike retires. I don't like that strategy, personally. I believe that to be fool's gold. You never know what kind of shape you're going to be in at that point, so promising anything to anyone is foolish. Take a look at Raheem Morris. Now, we don't know that he was "promised" anything, but that's been the thought bandied about.

On the other hand, what do we do if we lose him by choice or from another team's offer?

Well, first off, if Mike Shanahan can show some kind of fight and improvement with his team the next few weeks, I think he needs to stay aboard. But I think he needs to do different things with each side of the ball:

Offensively we need a coordinator that is similar to Kyle and Mike in regards to the running game. But we also need a guy that can take advantage of our strengths in the passing offense. Griffin needs to be allowed to show off that beautiful deep ball of his more often. Even though he hasn't been great with it this season, he also hasn't had enough chances to warrant true evaluation. We also need to keep utilizing play action passes and quick releases. Mike Shanahan is an offensive mind, so he'd have a pretty tight grip on the offensive side of the ball still, which is actually okay. It leads to a degree of continuity. Which would mean Foerster, Hilliard and Turner could stay aboard, assuming Mike and new OC talk and agree that continuity is important and that those guys at least deserve one more year of evaluation.

On defense, we need a coordinator with a vision and a plan that can transform our defense. Scheme doesn't matter much other than using schemes that fit our current personnel and building towards a scheme that the coordinator thinks is possible through what we currently have and a sound strategy. The defensive coordinator needs to be allowed to choose his own staff. 100%. The entire staff needs to be blown up and revamped, including Shanahan's long time friend Bob Slowik. If this were Madden, the analogy would be "press the reset button!".

The overall goal would be for Mike to understand that he's not going to be around forever and that he needs to give some degree of control to the defensive coordinator to run things as he sees fit. And to understand that whoever he hired for either role... They are being evaluated to perhaps be the replacement for Mike Shanahan. Now, that should be an unspoken and unwritten understanding. When the time comes to replace him, you do due diligence and interview everyone. But those two guys should be on your short list.
 

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On offense, we're about two players away from being consistent, competitive and good (not great, though, RGIII could push us to greatness.)

So, offense isn't the problem. I say keep Kyle...

Defense is the problem...
I'm not sure where you got anything from that post that says offense is the problem.

The premise is that he may be getting other offers. What do we do if we lose him? He's a free agent.
 

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I'm not sure where you got anything from that post that says offense is the problem.

The premise is that he may be getting other offers. What do we do if we lose him? He's a free agent.
I think he was just saying that he doesn't think the offense is why we're 3-6, and that the defense is why we're 3-6. So he thinks we should keep Kyle, and try try to find a new DC.


I want to keep Kyle. I don't think he's the problem.

But I also said I thought Josh Wilson was the best player on defense, that we wouldn't miss Orakpo because Jackson was good and Orakpo is over rated (I still think he's over rated...), that Brandon Banks would return kicks for touch downs this year, and I'm sure someone can find some other things.

So, basically what I'm saying is that I don't have a good track record of being right this season... Outside of RG3 I missed on everything. So maybe we should let him go :\
 

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I think he was just saying that he doesn't think the offense is why we're 3-6, and that the defense is why we're 3-6. So he thinks we should keep Kyle, and try try to find a new DC.

I want to keep Kyle. I don't think he's the problem.
Which is fine. And probably fairly accurate. But that stance was never posed in the OP. I guess perhaps he was going on a small tangent in regards to his disgust with our defense, which is 100% justifiable...

Our defense tends to have that effect on people :twitch:
 

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I understand the premise...I just don't see any logic.

Dan has the biggest pocketbook. Kyle has RGIII. Kyle and Mike are father and son.

If Kyle were offered a head coaching job, he might go...but, I don't see that happening.
What logic? That we might lose Kyle? That's not logical given reports that teams have interest in him?

We all know the media is full of **** most of the time and will pull a story from their hindparts more often than not. That said, the premise was, again, that he's going to be a free agent and we could lose him.

*shrug*

Agree to disagree I suppose

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I would not be opposed to turning the reigns over to Kyle at the end of the season and have Mike go into the front office, provided we bring in a top flight defensive coordinator. Shanahan the personnelle guy, would have more time to truly evaluate players and Kyle would get his shot. He's gonna get it sometime and given time he will eliminate a lot of his foolish play calling. We might as well see what the kid can do here without daddy on the field. That is really the only way we could get a truly qualified DC here with Mike still in charge. Otherwise, Mike will elevate Slowik or demand Morris run the 3-4 which he has not done because he wants total control on the field.
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There is a conflict of interest. It's best for the team if Kyle moves on and stands on his own.

Shanahan and Allen have to critique the offense without prejudice and that's not going to happen as long as there are sacred cows at Redskins Park.
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There is a conflict of interest. It's best for the team if Kyle moves on and stands on his own.

Shanahan and Allen have to critique the offense without prejudice and that's not going to happen as long as there are sacred cows at Redskins Park.
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Nepotism will always exist in the NFL and the Redskins, and always have. Whether it's Marty and Kurt Schottenheimer, Mike and Kyle Shanahan, and so on, there is no escaping it. If Kyle moves on to a HC job, Mike will probably makes his wife or some other close friend or family member to become the next OC.
 

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There is a conflict of interest. It's best for the team if Kyle moves on and stands on his own.

Shanahan and Allen have to critique the offense without prejudice and that's not going to happen as long as there are sacred cows at Redskins Park.
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This is why I have mixed feelings about Kyle leaving or staying.

On the staying side, continuity and a potential replacement for a head coach. The offense has been decent and we're still a few key cogs away from having the ideal set up in place, yet we've still seen growth under Kyle's tutelage.

On the leaving side, we can get an honest evaluation of coaching without family ties playing into it.

It would be difficult to say I want Kyle to go, because I don't. But I see a beneficial side to his leaving.

Tough decision to make.
 

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Most of the other situations were relatives brought in to control specialist or intern type jobs.

On many teams the OC is also the de facto Asst Head Coach.

The role Mike gave to Kyle is simply too prominent for there not to be some real questions about the evaluations.
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