I think my point really is that if the organisation isnt patient, and Shannahan hasnt shown the ability to be patient, then its sort of hypocritical to call out the fans for being impatient.Well - I won't bite on any of the loaded words you threw out there. I'll give a little better response when I have a few moments, but think you missed the overall point, which is that fans demand patience but essentially can't muster it up themselves. Where we ARE or AREN'T 6 months in really isn't particularly relevant.
Starting with the second paragraph first, fansince, I've ben puzzled by what happened in that game myself. It seemed as if that first long TD pass by Vick was like an unexpected left hook in the first round of a prizefight-they acted out-of-it like they weren't even aware they were in a game. The defense seemed baffled by their inability to get at Vick and stop him-maybe they were expecting a repeat of the last meetup? I'm not really sure but it was unusual because it was a reaction I hadn't seen. It took until the second quarter for the team to regain consciousness.not sure Mike and Goaldie.....I remember thinking back then that the discipline Shotty brought was healthy...but his established record of failure when it counts and overly conservative brand of offensive football weighed in on the negative side.
you know....none of us have really answered for how it is the team was walloped so badly last Monday. when it happened against the Pats we all knew why. I'm not so sure against the Iggles...yea...Vick played lights out....but there's got to be more to it than that. is the talent gulf that great? do we have that far to go?
But insightful to say the least.Schottenheimer? An unusual season and situation to say the least. Starting out 0-5 and ending 8-8? Of course, his firing of Cerrato ranks as one of the most egregious lapses of situational awareness ever.
not the point I was making. my point is that the Pats won precisely because there was a wide talent gulf. I'm asking whether the blow out to the Iggles is traceable to a similarly daunting talent gap. I don't think so, but wanted others to weigh in.See, I dont buy that comparison at all for one thing the patsies that year were dominant, we were far from the only team that got whupped. we were suffereing a serious bunch of injuries and they just beat up on us, however they scored what they scored without calling the dogs off (as I believe it should be) now the fecals game was a different animal, we looked unprepared after coming off a bye week, we didnt do anything on either side of the ball and our defence looked about as pathetic a defence as I have ever seen. they ran, passed, qb keeper'd lol and basically had their way with us without even buying us dinner. if it was strictly a talent thing , we wouldnt have beaten them previously, this boiled down to preparation, coaching and adjustments, they simply outcoached, outadjusted and outplayed us.
coulda, woulda, shoulda!!!But insightful to say the least.
I would have to say the Marty Shottenheimer firing was the worst decision made by Snyder since his acquisition of the team. look what he did with the Chargers! Wouldn't LT have looked good in B&G for 9 years? I know, we can't say he would be here, but I thoroughly believe Marty gave us our closest chance at a SB since Gibbs I!
As for fs62's assertion that Marty couldn't win the big one, Ernest Byner does not fumble that ball they go to the SB that year!
acknowledging these good points....the thing that grabs my shorts is that the Iggles basically blew themselves up last off-season. their O-line isn't all that great and their secondary/LB core has real holes. even in a badly coached game.....we should have lost by a score in the neighborhood of 38-21. but that game? something was wrong beyond Vick and poor planning/adjustment. some limitation in our player roster was exploitable beyond the norm. can't express the thought well - the idea is that given some level of overall competitive talent...you may suffer a bad game or two....but you never look like a Pop Warner team with zero talent (and that's what that game looked like...at least the first 15 mins I watched before turning off the boob tube).I don't think the talent gap is all that wide other than in speed at the offensive skill positions. WR, RB and most obviously, QB.
Reid stumbled into magic when the Eagles were the only team in the NFL willing to take on Vick's baggage last year. And no one, not even Eagle ownership, had the slightest clue Vick would play the way he has so far this year. Vick IS playing at a level no one has ever seen from an NFL QB--talking overall impact on the game here with his run and pass threat combination.
Add to that the speed they have at WR in Macklin and Jackson, and the speed in the backfield with McCoy, and it's the perfect storm for opposing defenses.
And with an offense playing that well, the defense can be more aggressive and take more chances.
The Eagles are riding the same Vick wave Virginia Tech and Atlanta have both ridden before. And in their case they have just the right speed components to put around him to keep defenses from focusing solely on Vick like they did in college and did to a lesser but still tangible degree in Atlanta.
Personally, I don't think the Eagles can sustain the wave. NFL defensive coordinators are too good to allow him to run rampant very long. They won't stop him, but they'll slow him. They'll decide which support-player speed options to focus on taking away from him as best they can, and study his comfort zones and start compensating to make those less desirable as well.
He'll come back to earth.
He'll also get nicked again ... one thing about Mike Vick, he's got as much athletic arrogance (a good thing up to a point) as any player I've seen in the NFL. That has a downside--as defenses start forcing him to do more himself with his legs, he'll get himself into situations where his body will pay the price for his fearlessness.
Eagle fans may be thinking they're about to embark on an historic run of titles and title contention. Me, I'm thinking we're watching a shooting star. The question is where to set the over/under on how long he shines.