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JuJu gets $8mil
TY Hilton gets $10mil

we can't afford that so we're looking at.....Harry?

Really?!

yeah i'm not a fan of Harry... loved him coming out of college but it clearly has not translated... yet.

They may know something, they did get more out of Thomas and McKissic than anyone else, but if it's there I don't see it
 

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We are talking about a #3 or #4 receiver in Harry.

Those other players are bona fide starters.
 

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That's interesting. They must have a lot of confidence that Harmon and Cam Sims can be the big body wr... or they have no interest in a big body wr and we're gonna just run track meet style on offense
 

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Chiefs don’t have 6’4 receivers either.

Strength and ability to get off line clean are more important than pure size.
 

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With a better quarterback than what we had in 2020 Thomas is a good seam target down the field.

In an ideal world we would have a 2010 Gronkowski at TE and Trent Williams type LT going into the season but few team rosters I see have premium up and down the roster at every position.

If things get too expensive on getting an established #3 we might have to roll with McLaurin/Samuels and an older vet we pick up before/after the draft or a younger draft pick, etc.
 

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Curtis Samuel contract breakdown


The breakdown on Curtis Samuel's contract, according to Roster Management System: His cap hit this season is $3.775 million. In 2022 the cap hit will be $12.9 million and in '23 the cap hit is $13 million. If he's cut after the 2022 season it would save Washington $5.8 million but he'd still count $7.2 million in dead cap space. His base salary of $8.5 million is fully guaranteed. The signing bonus was $12 million; there is $23 million guaranteed.
 

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This offense is looking good.

Quarterback who can throw downfield.

Emerging running back with speed for the big play.

Athletic receiving tight end.

WR group with top 3 players with proven credentials.

Looks like the draft is likely to yield the OT and depth at OG we need.
 

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Gotta do something at TE. We don't have even a serviceable backup at this point. What I want to see happen is for Washington to take one of those 3rd round picks and use it to move up in Round 2 to grab Freiermuth.
 

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We still need STARTER(S ) at linebacker and need to upgrade talent at OT to solidify the OL.

I would imagine the team is going to look to use high picks to fill these slots rather than trading picks up to take a tight end.

The team will take a TE in the draft but I doubt it will be early on. The backup to Thomas will likely be found in veteran free agency after the draft.

Likely another 29/30 year old veteran on a one year value deal to give the team flexibility in 2022.
 

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Gotta do something at TE. We don't have even a serviceable backup at this point. What I want to see happen is for Washington to take one of those 3rd round picks and use it to move up in Round 2 to grab Freiermuth.
I tend to agree. The thought of having 2 TEs on the field that can both be threats to make plays is pretty neat and could add an interesting wrinkle to the offense.

That all being said, I have my doubts as to if the staff sees TE2 as being as large of a need as many of us feel it is (myself included). Looking at Rivera's history, he has never really had a second TE that was a huge threat offensively. His first year in Carolina, he had Greg Olsen and Jeremy Shockey who provided 37 and 45 catches respectively. That was a relatively strong offensive combination. As Olsen developed, he became the #1 target and focal point of the Carolina passing attack, much like Thomas was on occasion towards the end of the year for Washington. He routinely caught 70 to 85 balls a year. In 2017, he only played in 7 games and his back up, Ed Dickson caught 30 balls. When Olsen was healthy though in Carolina, you never saw the #2 TE such as Gary Barnidge or Ed Dickson catching maybe more than 10 to 20 balls a year. History might be telling us that there won't be a lot of buzz around Washington's tight end depth.
 

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If Turner has any of his father in him, the TE will remain a primary offensive focus.

The difference to me will be that it won't be as a safety valve target the way Alex Smith used it but rather a down the field weapon that hits the middle of the field.

Looking back it is really amazing seeing the numbers for the WFT quarterbacks as a group in 2020 (PFF had them ranked what, 29th?) and the fact the team finished with a respectable record.

McLaurin's 1,118 receiving yards with that mess at quarterback is like 1,600 yards with a real QB like Wilson, Rodgers or Mahomes.
 

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I don't think Turner is emulating his dad when he was here. Norv did not prioritize a TE2 (as Canadian Hog pointed out) in Carolina. We forget that Norv was the OC in Carolina for 2 years and they did not have some dynamic TE depth chart. In 18 they had Olsen and some dude named Ian Thomas who combined for 63 catches. In 2019 Olsen was the only TE of note and he had 52. In 2020 Logan Thomas had 72, so I'm still going to stand by my point in the Pod that the TE position is not a priority to NFL teams like it has been to Washington fans. We've been conditioned with TE being such a focus because we've been so lacking on the outside. I would not be shocked if we took a late round flyer on a guy unless a surprise falls.... or even run it back with Thomas, Baugh, and seeing what Thad Moss might be able to offer.

To speak to the article I just posted also, how much of Thomas getting 72 catches was the offense, and how much was a product of the system and it's design, and how much was the decision making from Alex Smith? We've had Jordan Reed on the roster for the last few years so we all got hyped up trying to run the offense through him and the TE position. It's just not the on the level of importance that a lot of members of the Washington Football fanbase believe it is. Logan Thomas played very well in regards to the TE position and the emphasis has clearly been on playmakers. I think that continues regardless of position. If a playmaking TE that fits the offense finds himself available when we're on the clock, it's very possible we take him.... but I don't think there will be some underlying concern if TE2 is not 'upgraded.'
 

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We still need STARTER(S ) at linebacker and need to upgrade talent at OT to solidify the OL.

I would imagine the team is going to look to use high picks to fill these slots rather than trading picks up to take a tight end.

The team will take a TE in the draft but I doubt it will be early on. The backup to Thomas will likely be found in veteran free agency after the draft.

Likely another 29/30 year old veteran on a one year value deal to give the team flexibility in 2022.
There are no sub-30 TEs available in FA who warrant picking up imho (and I've looked at every one of them). Tyler Eifert could be a possiblity or Jesse James if they want to bring in a 1-2 year guy, but Eifert's injury history is starting to look like Jordan Reed's. James is okay. I'm not impressed with the draftable TEs beyond Pitts and Freiermuth. I think it's far more likely they grab a veteran Offensive Lineman from among available free agents since there are actually some decent ones still out there.
 

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I don't think Turner is emulating his dad when he was here. Norv did not prioritize a TE2 (as Canadian Hog pointed out) in Carolina. We forget that Norv was the OC in Carolina for 2 years and they did not have some dynamic TE depth chart. In 18 they had Olsen and some dude named Ian Thomas who combined for 63 catches. In 2019 Olsen was the only TE of note and he had 52. In 2020 Logan Thomas had 72, so I'm still going to stand by my point in the Pod that the TE position is not a priority to NFL teams like it has been to Washington fans. We've been conditioned with TE being such a focus because we've been so lacking on the outside. I would not be shocked if we took a late round flyer on a guy unless a surprise falls.... or even run it back with Thomas, Baugh, and seeing what Thad Moss might be able to offer.

To speak to the article I just posted also, how much of Thomas getting 72 catches was the offense, and how much was a product of the system and it's design, and how much was the decision making from Alex Smith? We've had Jordan Reed on the roster for the last few years so we all got hyped up trying to run the offense through him and the TE position. It's just not the on the level of importance that a lot of members of the Washington Football fanbase believe it is. Logan Thomas played very well in regards to the TE position and the emphasis has clearly been on playmakers. I think that continues regardless of position. If a playmaking TE that fits the offense finds himself available when we're on the clock, it's very possible we take him.... but I don't think there will be some underlying concern if TE2 is not 'upgraded.'
All you have to do is look at our leading receivers (as you pointed out earlier ST) beyond McLaurin. I don't think having Logan Thomas and RBs as top targets is a function of Turner's offense as much as it was the poor quality of other WR targets and Alex Smith's inability to push the ball downfield. It's not TE2 I'm worried about. It's TE1 if Logan Thomas goes out with injury. We literally have no one on this roster (unless Thaddeus Moss is a miracle pickup and we just haven't found that out yet). I'm not worried about having two TE sets. The point is, we have zero roster depth at that position.
 

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All you have to do is look at our leading receivers (as you pointed out earlier ST) beyond McLaurin. I don't think having Logan Thomas and RBs as top targets is a function of Turner's offense as much as it was the poor quality of other WR targets and Alex Smith's inability to push the ball downfield. It's not TE2 I'm worried about. It's TE1 if Logan Thomas goes out with injury. We literally have no one on this roster (unless Thaddeus Moss is a miracle pickup and we just haven't found that out yet). I'm not worried about having two TE sets. The point is, we have zero roster depth at that position.

My only response to that is how many teams have a deep TE room (or at least one that fans like us view as deep)? San Fran has Jordan Reed as the backup to Kittle, but it's also a very TE centric system. New England has gone all in on dual TE weapons. Kelce's back up in KC is Nick Keizer. Raiders have Foster Moreau and Derek Carrier (sound familiar?) backing up Darren Waller.

There are a couple teams who have 'depth' TEs like GB has Mercedes Lewis backing up Tonyan and Philly has Goedert behind Ertz, but you could argue that they do that because they like a 2 TE set. There aren't many teams that have depth markedly above the quality of a Marcus Baugh.

This doesn't mean they don't want to upgrade the backup spot, like I said I think if the right guy is there and was not expected they pounce...

The other thing is that my original part wasn't about depth, it was about the notion that TE would be a 'focus' emulating Norv. That's a narrative a lot of WFT fans have... that TE2 needs to be a priority, which I don't really agree with. Could we afford an upgrade to depth and take a shot on a long term TE type? Sure. If George Kittle or Travis Kelce is available you get him... but I don't think fans should prioritize a 2nd TE as some major 'need' in order for the offense to be effective.
 

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