I really really don't want to hear any more Saint Scot the Saviour talk. McCloughan didn't do shit for the team's ability to hit on players in the draft - really the only reason we took a chance on him. We could've used Mel Kiper's big board and done better - and that is a sorry ass truth. He was either liquored up through the entire gig or he just wasn't anywhere near the talent savant we were told he would be.
I think comparing Doctson to Cravens is pretty unfair. I have never heard anyone allege he really wasn't hurt. And although his 2nd year was shaky, not all of that was on him, and at least he showed he could come back from whatever the injuries were.
That's a damn site from what Cravens has done since being signed.
I really really don't want to hear any more Saint Scot the Saviour talk. McCloughan didn't do shit for the team's ability to hit on players in the draft - really the only reason we took a chance on him. We could've used Mel Kiper's big board and done better - and that is a sorry ass truth. He was either liquored up through the entire gig or he just wasn't anywhere near the talent savant we were told he would be.
I agree with Elephant. We got something for Cravens. Move on. And don't count me among the bunch that thinks Craven's going to make us regret letting him go by becoming a dominant safety or LB. As someone on Twitter said, he hasn't even proven he can play in the NFL yet.
I think comparing Doctson to Cravens is pretty unfair. I have never heard anyone allege he really wasn't hurt. And although his 2nd year was shaky, not all of that was on him, and at least he showed he could come back from whatever the injuries were.
That's a damn site from what Cravens has done since being signed.
I really really don't want to hear any more Saint Scot the Saviour talk. McCloughan didn't do shit for the team's ability to hit on players in the draft - really the only reason we took a chance on him. We could've used Mel Kiper's big board and done better - and that is a sorry ass truth. He was either liquored up through the entire gig or he just wasn't anywhere near the talent savant we were told he would be.
I agree with Elephant. We got something for Cravens. Move on. And don't count me among the bunch that thinks Craven's going to make us regret letting him go by becoming a dominant safety or LB. As someone on Twitter said, he hasn't even proven he can play in the NFL yet.
The sad thing is, the biggest disasters he drafted were legit NFL talent level football players, the problems seem to lie between the ears
To be fair...
2016 1 Josh Doctson Starter
2016 2 Su'a Cravens Traded - headcase (Retired / Returned)
2016 3 Kendall Fuller Starter - Traded
2016 5 Matthew Ioannidis Starter
2016 6 Nate Sudfeld Injuries forced us to let him go
2016 7 Steven Daniels 7th rounder
2016 7 Keith Marshall Injured
2015 1 Brandon Scherff Starter
2015 2 Preston Smith Starter
2015 3 Matt Jones Gone and forgotten
2015 4 Jamison Crowder Starter
2015 4 Arie Kouandjio Cut, brought back, started some games
2015 5 Martrell Spaight Quality backup
2015 6 Kyshoen Jarrett Cut short due to injury (Retired)
2015 6 Tevin Mitchel P/S player
2015 6 Evan Spencer Retired
2015 7 Austin Reiter Tore ACL playing for the Browns in Oct 2016, havent seen anything since. No games started 2017
There are a fair amount of contributors in his 2 drafts... and I included Kouandjio because he was taken in the 4th and has started games. He's not a worldbeater or anything but he's still a piece.
What does stand out to me is that 3 players he's drafted have retired... with Cravens coming back....
Remember that McCloughan admitted that Jay Gruden was the one that recommended the team take Matt Ioannidis in the 5th round of the draft that year.
Also, let's remember that Jamison Crowder and Preston Smith have been somewhat inconsistent performers who are in essence playing for a new contract in 2018.
It is conceivable that either or both could end up playing out their contracts like Trent Murphy and departing in free agency as we look to other players who are more reliable and provide top end production.
Crowder has been one of the most consistent players on the roster. 59/67/66 receptions his first 3 seasons. Between 10-12/yds per reception all 3 years. Has only missed 1 game in his career. His reception % dipped slightly in 2017, but so did Cousins play. Could we be getting more out of him? Probably. It's unclear to me whether he can't break out of WR2/WR3 numbers because he's just not that talented, or because of Cousins tendencies.
Crowder has been one of the most consistent players on the roster. 59/67/66 receptions his first 3 seasons. Between 10-12/yds per reception all 3 years. Has only missed 1 game in his career. His reception % dipped slightly in 2017, but so did Cousins play. Could we be getting more out of him? Probably. It's unclear to me whether he can't break out of WR2/WR3 numbers because he's just not that talented, or because of Cousins tendencies.
I got the distinct impression last year that Cousins was a little lost without his usual trio of Garcon, Jackson and Reed.
Those guys had been his comfort blanket for a few years and with two of them gone and the other limited it sometimes seemed that Cousins didn't know where to go next and really struggled to trust anyone to be a new WR1. He had options in Pryor and Doctson but couldn't get on the same page with them. I thought Crowder might become his primary but that didn't happen either.
It does make me wonder how he'll get on in Minnesota where he needs to establish new chemistry with the guys there. On the flipside Smith has been around the League with a few different teams and never shown an issue getting on the same page as his new teammates.
So I'm cautiously optimistic.
I think we might learn this year whether last years lack of WR production was due to the WR's or the QB. Gonna be interesting watching how Smith and Cousing both adapt to their new surroundings.
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