Campbell was drafted #25 in 2005. Aaron Rodgers was drafted #24 in 2005.
Campbell began playing in the NFL in 2006 and was the regular starter in both 2007 and 2008 as well as 2009 to start those campaigns.
Rodgers sat on the bench behind Brett Favre until 2008 and then took to the field and with limited starting experience became a solid NFL starter.
Now he is coming up to the next level, below elite status.
Meanwhile, Campbell is right now not that much further along than he was last year when he threw for 300 yards against the Lions and there were whispers he was finally catching on to the NFL game.
Throw in the Saints game.
Look at what Campbell and Rodgers have done in the same period of time and then come back and tell me that Campbell should be resigned to a long-term deal
I see your point BD but it is apples and oranges here.
Rogers was drafted by a stable organization with a HoF QB in front of him. In his 5 years in the league he has had one Head Coach and the same offensive system to play in the whole time. He sat for 3 years, except for mop up duty and one or two games where Favre left injured (Dallas game is the only one I remember but there might have been more).
Campbell was drafted by Gibbs and worked his first year under Gibbs offense. Then we brought in Sanders to run it so there was a change again. Two years later, Gibbs and Sanders were both out and a WCO guy was brought in to install a new offense that literally no one on the offense had been picked up to run, including Campbell.
Not a fair comparison at all.
Regardless of Campbell's progression or regression at this point what we need is to shore up the offensive line. Like someone (WD I think) suggested in another thread, I would rather have Jason Campbell and Russel Okung than Jimmy Claussen or Colt McCoy and Levi Jones.
Point!
I agree and disagree...Favre's throw was in the only place it *could* have been for Lewis to catch it. Anywhere else and its probably knocked down or intercepted. Yes Lewis made a phenomenal play, but Favre not only scrambled around to get free, he put it in the only place it could have been for Lewis to catch it.
As far as bailing out Campbell - you are correct. I mean, just look at Suisham. However, as many times as he hasn't been "bailed out" by his teammates, Campbell has missed wide-open receivers, thrown picks, or fumbled. So I think its a wash.
It also goes back to my other point - great QBs make everyone else better. I mean, Greg Lewis was mediocre in Philly for years, and then he makes that spectacular catch? Who knew he had that in him? Definitely not me.
Sure, Favre's throw was the only place it could be. I never questioned that. Still doesn't make it a great throw for the receiver to catch and having Favre throw it does not magically make Lewis go up to pull down that circus catch while performing ballet on the end line. The QB was irrelevant to the catch itself.
How many perfect balls that would have been scores have we seen dropped in the last two years? Earlier in this thread someone bet on Campbell for not having a TD against the Rams. What about the two balls he threw to Thomas and Sellers that were just flat dropped? Both would have been an easy 7. No one remembers those cause they don't show up in the receivers stats but they should. How about the perfect bomb to Moss two years ago in GB game that 'Tana just flat dropped?
Come on Mike, Lanky addressed this. JC has had 9 chances this season for late game winning drives and 3 of them came against 3 of the worst defenses in the NFL, yet he has come up short in every one of them!
Hmmmm...I bite and go do the research.
Back when I am done.
Was the loss against the Saints Jason Campbell's fault, yes and no. We had a large enough lead to win that game. Suisham let us down and the defense let us down after the FG was missed. But clutch QB's in this league take advantage fo the 1:28 left in a game to drive their teams down the field to give that kicker a chance at redemption. Instead JC threw a stupid INT. That is what non-clutch QB's do.
Would you call Favre a "clutch" QB? I would. How about the pick 6 he threw to the NY Giants in Overtime of the NFC Championship game a couple years ago? Not so clutch.
How about Payton Manning? I'd call him clutch. AFC Divisional playoff game at home against the Chargers he needs 4 points to win 4:50 to go. On two drives he fails to convert on 4th down to extend drives. The first time it was 4th and Goal from the San Diego 7 and he had 4 chances from inside the 9 to convert. Not so Clutch.
Tom Brady? Hey, all he did was throw high on 4th and 2 so that his receiver had to juggle the ball a bit before getting control and allowing the Colts defender to make a great play but still not so clutch.
I think we all see the point. I don't care how good the QB is, how "clutch", sometimes they don't get it done. And when they do get it done, it is often because some guy like Greg Lewis or Dwight Clark steps up and does something amazing that few thought they could do.
I have not seen a lot amazing late in games from any of Campbell's team mates.
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