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    Quote Originally Posted by HOF44 View Post
    I see someone responding to the circumstances they find themselves in. Congress in the best of times is a contentious place, but since the tea party joined the ranks it has become almost frozen. Just a review of the percentage of judicial nominees appointed versus previous administrations will show the difference. You can point to the other guy all you want, but the tea party is a whole new level of obstructionism.
    As you point to the Tea Party...ignoring Harry Reid's role in obstructing the Senate. The same Harry Reid who did not pass a budget in the Senate for 4 years...wouldn't even put one up for vote.
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    The government is backing loans to build two nuclear power plants in Georgia. Mixed feelings about this, but most of the negative feelings are probably reactionary because of Fukushima.

    I do like the administration's "all of the above" energy policy, however. Now hopefully these plants (and the next ones) are regulated fully.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elephant View Post
    As you point to the Tea Party...ignoring Harry Reid's role in obstructing the Senate. The same Harry Reid who did not pass a budget in the Senate for 4 years...wouldn't even put one up for vote.
    I get you don't like Reid. Also the senate is supposed to pass a budget, however how is not passing one obstructionist? The senate budget has no affect at all on house appropriations which is what really funds the government. If you could not pass appropriation's without a senate budget I could see your point.

    So while everyone can argue the political reasons to do it or not do it, failing to pass it is not obstructionist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HOF44 View Post
    I get you don't like Reid. Also the senate is supposed to pass a budget, however how is not passing one obstructionist? The senate budget has no affect at all on house appropriations which is what really funds the government. If you could not pass appropriation's without a senate budget I could see your point.

    So while everyone can argue the political reasons to do it or not do it, failing to pass it is not obstructionist.
    I don't agree it's not obstructing the duties of the Senate, but it's not just the budget...it's the multitude of bills sent to the Senate that never reach the floor for a vote because of Harry Reid. I just don't get how you ignore that Bob. You keep talking about compromise and still won't acknowledge Harry Reid being the single biggest obstructionist in all of Congress!

    Some bills may be frivolous but if he knows it will be close, you know support across both aisles, he won't even let it hit the floor for vote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elephant View Post
    I don't agree it's not obstructing the duties of the Senate, but it's not just the budget...it's the multitude of bills sent to the Senate that never reach the floor for a vote because of Harry Reid. I just don't get how you ignore that Bob. You keep talking about compromise and still won't acknowledge Harry Reid being the single biggest obstructionist in all of Congress!

    Some bills may be frivolous but if he knows it will be close, you know support across both aisles, he won't even let it hit the floor for vote.
    How is not having a budget obstructing anything?? I still don't get that.

    There have been cases throughout the history of the senate and the house where killing bills in committee or not allowing them to hit the floor happens, by both parties. The things going on with the tea party in the house are unprecedented though.

    I just see one side wanting everything their way and if they don't get it scream obstructionism, socialism, and anything else they can think of to drum up public support.

    I'm not trying to change your view, just putting out there that there are a lot of people like me who look at the situation the same way I do. Unless the Rep. party can change that they will continue to lose national elections. I'm not a far right lib by any stretch. Yet they try to paint anyone who does not agree with them as "sheeple" that just are to ignorant to understand, or don't want their handout cut off. I am neither.
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    I don't know. From where I sit, the D's have been absolutely "My way, or the highway" for 20yrs. And when they're in majority control, they're even worse.

    They compromise on nothing. Absolutely nothing. The appearance some times. A few symbolist tokens every once in a while, that never come to fruition. But that's it.
    They do not wish compromise. They seek only capitulation.

    And yet somehow, everybody else is the problem.

    Somebody needs to stir the shit storm. I don't care if it's the Tea party, the Green party, or a friggin Toga party.

    But, we'll just continue our one way spiral into collapse.

    The sooner, the better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ax View Post
    I don't know. From where I sit, the D's have been absolutely "My way, or the highway" for 20yrs. And when they're in majority control, they're even worse.

    They compromise on nothing. Absolutely nothing. The appearance some times. A few symbolist tokens every once in a while, that never come to fruition. But that's it.
    They do not wish compromise. They seek only capitulation.
    From where I sit the Dems compromised even capitulated on one of the most damaging things to happen to this country in decades. They gave in allowing banks and investment houses to merge and operate as one. This combined with going along with relaxing financial regulations led to our most recent collapse. I only wish they had been as intransigent on these points as you see them.
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    I don't see it as compromise, when they all (D's & R's) make decisions based on their own wallets/careers, not ours.

    EDIT: The D's may have publicly stated otherwise, but they got exactly want they wanted from the start, in regards to banking regulations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ax View Post
    I don't see it as compromise, when they all (D's & R's) make decisions based on their own wallets/careers, not ours.
    That really is the crux of everything. Once Corps were declared citizens and could donate freely any facade of money not running things was gone. I've said it a long time now we are a Corporate Oligarchy not a Republic anymore.
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    Yep, which is why I chuckle when the right accused Obama of being controlled by Soros. If not him it's going to be some other billionaire(s) pulling the strings on whoever is elected.

    If you don't think Romney would have been beholden to his own set of special interests, I've got some ocean front property in Montana to sell you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanky Livingston View Post
    Those guys are ridiculous. I didn't have a clue.

    I can watch those videos on the military/history channel showing their training all day long. It takes an amazing level of skill to be able to do that.
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    Hahaha, I was very close to posting this exact same comment. John Adams and George Washington were very close!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HOF44 View Post
    How is not having a budget obstructing anything?? I still don't get that.
    You don't? Think back to all the times in recent memory that we've talked about a fiscal cliff, the debt ceiling, etc. Things that never happen with a balanced budget. When refusing to do something can lead to defaulting on loans or shutting down the government, it doesn't get more obstructing than that. Spin it how you will, you asked.

    Quote Originally Posted by HOF44 View Post
    There have been cases throughout the history of the senate and the house where killing bills in committee or not allowing them to hit the floor happens, by both parties.
    So what you're saying is it's not ok for others to point fingers and play the blame game, but in this instance it's ok? Why is the "they did it too" approach only fair when it takes the heat off of the Democratic Party? Isn't turnabout fair play? And Harry Reid isn't just blocking things, he's doing it at levels never seen before in history, and doing it with everything unless it was drafted by Democrats and heavily supported by the left.

    Quote Originally Posted by HOF44 View Post
    The things going on with the tea party in the house are unprecedented though.
    Such as? Using the filibuster powers granted to them by the Constitution of the United States? Filibuster powers, I might add, that Democrats used the nuclear option to do away with because they were pouting and not getting their way?

    Quote Originally Posted by HOF44 View Post
    I just see one side wanting everything their way and if they don't get it scream obstructionism, socialism, and anything else they can think of to drum up public support.
    And I see one side actually getting their way, and yet somehow still finding a way to blame all of the failures on the other guys. If someone wants to look past Harry Reid and pretend he isn't the biggest problem in this country, and solely responsible for holding up more than anyone in history, that's fine. But why not at least be honest and admit he's doing it?

    Quote Originally Posted by HOF44 View Post
    I'm not trying to change your view, just putting out there that there are a lot of people like me who look at the situation the same way I do.
    We know, and those of us on the right have things we call these people

    Quote Originally Posted by HOF44 View Post
    Unless the Rep. party can change that they will continue to lose national elections.
    If you really feel this way, make sure you have plenty of tissues on hand for the next two election cycles. The left is on the verge of being steamrolled because of their failures and crushing policies that will doom this country for at least a generation.

    Quote Originally Posted by HOF44 View Post
    I'm not a far right lib by any stretch. Yet they try to paint anyone who does not agree with them as "sheeple" that just are to ignorant to understand, or don't want their handout cut off. I am neither.
    Usually the people being referred to as sheeple are people who legitimately think Obama, even at this stage, is doing a phenomenal job. There are very few of these people left thankfully, but they are either immensely ignorant and refuse to see what's in front of them, they are living in complete denial, or they just keep blindly supporting him because of the letter next to his name. It's just like the people who supported W. 100% through everything and could never admit he fell apart more and more as his term wore on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nobody View Post
    If you really feel this way, make sure you have plenty of tissues on hand for the next two election cycles. The left is on the verge of being steamrolled because of their failures and crushing policies that will doom this country for at least a generation.
    Be careful with this. This is starting to sound an awful lot like all the crowing the Repubs did right before Romney lost to Obama. We were told more times than I can count that Romney would coast to an easy victory, the votes in CA would be rendered meaningless by 5pm EST, etc. Anytime one side or the other gets super confident about these things, I figure something else is likely to happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nobody View Post
    You don't? Think back to all the times in recent memory that we've talked about a fiscal cliff, the debt ceiling, etc. Things that never happen with a balanced budget. When refusing to do something can lead to defaulting on loans or shutting down the government, it doesn't get more obstructing than that. Spin it how you will, you asked.
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    Again what does the senate doing a budget have to do with any of that?? The House needs no budget from the senate to do its appropriations. The house does not have to follow any budget the senate does create. The senate budget carries zero weight. The senate refusing to do a budget can in no way lead to shutting down the government. If you think that you just don't know how the appropriations process works.

    As to the rest of your post its your opinion, which you are welcome to have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goaldeje View Post
    Be careful with this. This is starting to sound an awful lot like all the crowing the Repubs did right before Romney lost to Obama. We were told more times than I can count that Romney would coast to an easy victory, the votes in CA would be rendered meaningless by 5pm EST, etc. Anytime one side or the other gets super confident about these things, I figure something else is likely to happen.
    Where did you hear that?

    And the idea that the DNC will be pummeled in the upcoming elections is rather bold. The amount of dishonesty coming out of the NY Times, Washington Post and other major publications to disguise the deficiencies of the left is only going to get worse as the election in 14 and 16 get closer.
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    Where did I hear that the GOP was going to crush Obama? Here, for starters. Not sure if you specifically were involved, but many of our more Right leaning members were on that train. FOX News was running all kinds of craziness about it as well.
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