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Well, so long as he kid wins, I really doesn't matter.
Did you really expect anything different?
Look for someone from the team to come out to clarify this statement from Doug to keep up the front, but it's been about marketing since the kid was drafted. In the DC market, Dwayne Haskins will sell more than Keenum...by sell more I mean jerseys, tickets, and anything else Dan is trying to push.
I don't see any Case Keenum jerseys in the following...
This depends muchly on how smart and patient we think Snyder will be. (I'm aware that's a loaded question! )
Pushing Haskins to start right now may generate buzz and revenue at the front door, but is that sustainable if the kid loses and looks bad for those first 5 or 6 games leading him to be replaced by Colt or Keenum?
The Skin's fanbase can turn pretty quickly from excitement to sour if not handled right.
You guys are really overthinking it. Highly drafted NFL QBs nearly always start immediately. There are always exceptions, notably when there is a veteran who is on the way out (Mahommes sitting for a year while Alex Smith finished up in KC, Jones will likely sit for a year while Eli wraps up his career). But largely, the big time rookie QB gets thrown into the fire right away.
So if it happens with us in 2019, it may be a lot less about Dan Snyder than it is simply being the modern norm.
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You guys are really overthinking it. Highly drafted NFL QBs nearly always start immediately. There are always exceptions, notably when there is a veteran who is on the way out (Mahommes sitting for a year while Alex Smith finished up in KC, Jones will likely sit for a year while Eli wraps up his career). But largely, the big time rookie QB gets thrown into the fire right away.
So if it happens with us in 2019, it may be a lot less about Dan Snyder than it is simply being the modern norm.
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So if it happens with us in 2019, it may be a lot less about Dan Snyder than it is simply being the modern norm.
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The only argument I have in the discussion is that it's a forgone conclusion that Haskins will start.
Not about following the pack Al. I think it's become common place because most coaches believe the best way to get experience is to get experience. The rookie contract rules also promote getting rookies out there as soon as possible because the quicker you get a youngster acclimated and proficient, the more production you're going to get out of him while he's on an incredibly affordable rookie deal (see Kirk Cousins).
I'm with Knight almost entirely. I have no issue with either guy starting and I think you can not only make an argument either way, but it may well work out (or not) either way. The only argument I have in the discussion is that it's a forgone conclusion that Haskins will start. If Keenum looks great and Haskins struggles from Training Camp on - I have zero doubt they'll sit Haskins and go with the veteran.
Brian... I get your point I don't think it's as absolute as you make it out to be. I don't buy the ‘Gruden is a lame duck who is powerless' argument. If anything, a new coach with is first HC-ing gig is under more pressure to ‘go along' with ownership than a guy in the last year of his contract.
I also think that the idea that only the coach gets to have an opinion on the plan for a top pick rookie QB is naive. There's not a GM or owner in the NFL that wouldn't have some interest or input into that. It's a matter of degree.
You acknowledged that Snyder wants to win and that it's not just about the almighty dollar. If the entire coaching staff feels Keenum has to be the guy starting out because Haskins isn't ready, I think that's what will happen.
Boone...not messing with ya....but I just don't believe your argument holds water. You made a statistical claim (which, btw, I haven't had time to verify) that most teams start high QB drafts right off the bat. And I countered that this was only one variable - these also very likely were very bad teams with no QB options and wrestling with fan discontent. None of this applies to the Skins (well, maybe the fan part). Not only that, there are obvious counters (Mahomes, Rodgers).
I've said my piece. No way a college QB, no matter how talented, is ready after only one year of competitive experience. No chance against the teams we face in the initial 5 games. From a risk/career management pov it just makes no sense. But...this is the Redskins! Decision by committee - yea, that ought to work well!
You're arguing against yourself here...I believe when the RG3 or Cousins argument was under way with Gruden, you stated Gruden had the upper hand because Snyder didn't want to just fire a guy after 1 season with Gruden's "pedigree" and the coaching carousel we had here. I agreed then.
Not clear why they gave Gruden one more year to prove himself, I think we saw enough after 5 years, but Gruden has no more leverage. He's a veteran coach now with not much success...an overall losing record in 5 years does not warrant more time to prove himself for the sake of "stability."
He's had 5 years, that's why I think they are going to make him start Haskins, or fire him early on if Case Keenum doesn't win IF Case gets the nod as you believe. If we have not won more than 3 games in the first half of the season, I bet Gruden gets fired by week 10.
I think you'd agree we're not dealing with rational here...Dan Snyder is clearly one of the worst owners in the history of the NFL for winning percentages with 20 years behind him. Like I said, I admit I think he wants to win...I also think he cares more about the bottom line. There is no middle ground here...money is the biggest motivating factor for Snyder.
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