tshile
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Seriously Ex?
Yeah, and they won the super bowl the very next year. They were called the 'greatest show on turf' - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Greatest_Show_on_Turf
They broke offensive records. Their QB is probably going to be in the HOF. Their running back already is.
They more than deserved the respect they were shown.
So am I a liar or are you confusing who you're talking about? Which is it?
You don't say?
God damn media and their 'hype.' Wish they'd learn how to figure out which teams are actually good....
Seriously? You're making my case for me...
also you're forgetting that there were lots of ties to Katrina for their run - regardless of whether I agree with those ties or not, they were made and are certainly part of the story behind the coverage.
They do have arguably the best WR in the game, but other than that I don't understand the hype around them either. They play well at times but not consistent.
You let out the patriots and panthers, both of which have gone to the super bowl at least once in the last 20 years.
You made my case for me ex. Those teams received praise BECAUSE THEY WERE ACTUALLY GOOD (lions excluded, althought they did make the playoffs.) Most of them went on to appear in the super bowl with the team that was being praised.
It doesn't take multiple years, you're right - unless your a team that has continually sold a false sense of hope year, after year, after year, after year, after year. That's what we've done. I don't blame anyone for having doubts about our team, and wondering how we'll screw it up. We have a proven track record of screwing it up. Those teams you mentioned? They (except for the lions) made the most of what they had and wound up in the super bowl with those teams.
None of those teams have the history over the last 20 years we do. That was my point. How can you compare our history to theirs? We have 3 years where we made the playoffs in 20. Outside of the lions, every other team there has done significantly better in that time.
The Rams instantly gained respect in 1999 with Kurt Warner. This was despite the fact they had not been to a Super Bowl in 20 years (fact), they had never won a Super Bowl (fact), they had a losing team for 9 straight seasons (fact), and for 14 out of 20 seasons (fact). Yet the respect was instant. It didn't take them putting together multiple winning seasons. So they disprove your argument (fact).
Yeah, and they won the super bowl the very next year. They were called the 'greatest show on turf' - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Greatest_Show_on_Turf
They broke offensive records. Their QB is probably going to be in the HOF. Their running back already is.
They more than deserved the respect they were shown.
Wait... I thought I was a liar because these teams hadn't won or been to a super bow before they got their hypel? The seahawks went in 2006. I thought you were talking about that team.In 2010, the Seahawks went 7-9 and became the first losing team to ever make the playoffs (fact). In the first round, against the mighty Saints, many media pundits were predicting the Seattle upset (fact). This was a losing team getting more respect than a juggernaut. Seattle had lost their only Super Bowl appearance in team history 4 years earlier (fact), they had a losing or even record for 13 of the previous 20 seasons (fact), they had only had back to back winning seasons a few times in team history (fact), and they still got respect and didn't even have to win to get it, that was just a bonus.
So am I a liar or are you confusing who you're talking about? Which is it?
You mean praise was heaped upon a team that was good enough to win the super bowl that year?In 2003, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers won the Super Bowl. That entire season, praise was heaped upon them almost from day one, because of what a great job Jon Gruden was doing with guys like Warren Sapp, Ronde Barber, John Lynch, etc. At that point in time, the Buccaneers had only put together a winning season 6 times in team history (fact). They were widely accepted as the worst team in NFL history, and there wasn't even an argument that could be made for any other team. Yet after putting together a futile 117 wins in the previous two decades (fact), they were a media darling. Before that and since, they've almost never had a reason to smile about their team's performance.
You don't say?
God damn media and their 'hype.' Wish they'd learn how to figure out which teams are actually good....
Yeah... and they won the super bowl. Again, you choose to pick a team that was praised for being good, then eventually won the super bowl, as some sort of evidence that they didn't deserve the praise they got.In 2009, the New Orleans Saints were a media juggernaut all season long, from the initial snap, on their way to winning the Super Bowl. It was so bad, that to not be rooting for the Saints was frowned upon as meaning you must hate life. This was in spite of the fact that this was a team who only had 8 winning seasons in 42 years up to that point (fact), and 5 winning seasons in the previous 20 years (fact), with no Super Bowl appearance in team history (fact).
Seriously? You're making my case for me...
also you're forgetting that there were lots of ties to Katrina for their run - regardless of whether I agree with those ties or not, they were made and are certainly part of the story behind the coverage.
I said there was one team on your list that didn't fit the mold the rest of your list had That would indeed be the lions. They are the 1 team that hasn't been to the super bowl in that time span.In 2010, the Detroit Lions drafted Matthew Stafford. In spite of the fact they were widely accepted as the most mismanaged team in the league for a very long time, they were instantly respected. The fact they had become the only 0-16 team in NFL history just 2 years earlier (fact) didn't matter. The fact that in the previous 20 years they had only had 6 winning seasons (fact) didn't matter. The fact they have still never been to a Super Bowl (fact) didn't matter. They had Matthew Stafford now. Things were different now. The media wanted to make sure everybody knew just how great they were gonna be, and showed them nothing but respect. The fact that their one season in the sun was apparently a fluke doesn't matter, they still get respect as a 4-8 team.
They do have arguably the best WR in the game, but other than that I don't understand the hype around them either. They play well at times but not consistent.
Now unless you have facts to back what you're saying, quit pursuing a futile point that isn't real. None of these teams had a winning history as you said, none of these teams had ever won a Super Bowl, let alone multiple ones as you claim, and most had never even been to one. I really don't understand the point you're trying to make, because again, what you said in response to my comment is a total lie. Look above at the facts. These teams were losers that gained instant respect. And proof that it doesn't take multiple years of a winning environment to gain respect. Unless, apparently, you're the Washington Redskins.
You let out the patriots and panthers, both of which have gone to the super bowl at least once in the last 20 years.
You made my case for me ex. Those teams received praise BECAUSE THEY WERE ACTUALLY GOOD (lions excluded, althought they did make the playoffs.) Most of them went on to appear in the super bowl with the team that was being praised.
It doesn't take multiple years, you're right - unless your a team that has continually sold a false sense of hope year, after year, after year, after year, after year. That's what we've done. I don't blame anyone for having doubts about our team, and wondering how we'll screw it up. We have a proven track record of screwing it up. Those teams you mentioned? They (except for the lions) made the most of what they had and wound up in the super bowl with those teams.
None of those teams have the history over the last 20 years we do. That was my point. How can you compare our history to theirs? We have 3 years where we made the playoffs in 20. Outside of the lions, every other team there has done significantly better in that time.
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