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    we're headed into an election soon and the cyber fireworks will be flying hot and heavy......before we get to that point......I invite the PA board to introduce their thoughts on what the President's real agenda happens to be. I have my own ideas...but concede that it's hard to pin down. moreover, in the circles I move in, opinions vary widely. so...dispensing with the usual verbal jabs (I'm saving mine for the next PA thread...:-)....)...what is it that this guy is trying to accomplish? where is he trying to take the country? doesn't matter of you think the agenda is far left or middle of the road....just trying to gauge what people understand/believe. I will deliberately avoid logging my own opinion until later.
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    Think if Joseph Stalin's USSR & Benito Mussolini's Italy had a baby, and it was raised by Adolf Hitler's Germany.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanky Livingston View Post
    Think if Joseph Stalin's USSR & Benito Mussolini's Italy had a baby, and it was raised by Adolf Hitler's Germany.
    and roomed with China in college
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    Hey! What's wrong with China? Aside from his obsession with naked people?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goaldeje View Post
    Hey! What's wrong with China? Aside from his obsession with naked people?
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    Honestly? His agenda so far has been to talk a big game, force through what he wants, regardless of support from the citizens, and he's doing everything in his power to make the entire populace completely dependent on the federal government.

    However, he's smart enough to know that if he went full bore, the military, who is mostly right leaning, and is heavily represented on the East coast, just might step in if he went too over the top. Which worries me, since there are plans already in place, plans for the future being discussed, and plans that have already been carried out, to move the majority of East coast military options to the West coast.

    If reelected, he will go pedal to the floor with his agenda. He said multiple times he wants to see a major shift in American politics, and he want to fundamentally change this country. So far, he's been rather tame, and look how sloppy and screwed up our country has gotten. I hate to imagine what he might do if handed the reigns again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Extreme View Post
    Honestly? His agenda so far has been to talk a big game, force through what he wants, regardless of support from the citizens, and he's doing everything in his power to make the entire populace completely dependent on the federal government.

    However, he's smart enough to know that if he went full bore, the military, who is mostly right leaning, and is heavily represented on the East coast, just might step in if he went too over the top. Which worries me, since there are plans already in place, plans for the future being discussed, and plans that have already been carried out, to move the majority of East coast military options to the West coast.

    If reelected, he will go pedal to the floor with his agenda. He said multiple times he wants to see a major shift in American politics, and he want to fundamentally change this country. So far, he's been rather tame, and look how sloppy and screwed up our country has gotten. I hate to imagine what he might do if handed the reigns again.
    yes Ex....

    he's an Alynsky socialist - that much is obvious after the last month or so. for the crowd that sits comfortably in its secularist/progressive relativism....he's perfect! no matter the cost!

    on the flip side....he can't succeed. too many oppose where he is headed. it may be costly and lengthy undoing the damage......but it will happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanky Livingston View Post
    Think if Joseph Stalin's USSR & Benito Mussolini's Italy had a baby, and it was raised by Adolf Hitler's Germany.

    We're going to keep this light

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    Quote Originally Posted by fansince62 View Post
    yes Ex....

    he's an Alynsky socialist - that much is obvious after the last month or so. for the crowd that sits comfortably in its secularist/progressive relativism....he's perfect! no matter the cost!

    on the flip side....he can't succeed. too many oppose where he is headed. it may be costly and lengthy undoing the damage......but it will happen.
    Of course, it's obvious we're just saying these things because we don't like him. He isn't really doing these thi......oh ****, I can't continue, nobody is that blind
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    I think Obama's an idealist who is far more liberal than the rest of the country. He got voted in through a combination of his personal charisma and a vote of no-confidence in the Republicans, and initially took that as a strong mandate to enact legislation that he campaigned on in '08. However, since then he's come to realize the country is not as liberal as he is and he's been forced to move to the middle, despite the fact that his party had overwhelming majorities in both houses when he was elected. Even within the Democratic party congress was not as liberal as he'd hoped. I don't think he's forced through much of anything. He's been forced to compromise and compromise even within his own party to get anything done (and he's not done a great job of that) which is why we've gotten a lot of messy legislation like the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.

    Because of this, the GOP has realized that all they have to do to stop Obama's agenda is simply refuse to compromise on anything he asks for, as the Dems are generally incapable of presenting a united voting block to force anything through without them. Ultimately, I blame Obama's inability to unite his party for the gridlock. I applaud Obama's move to the middle, but with that he should have emerged as the clear leader of his party as Clinton did in '94. Instead he comes across as wishy washy and, especially this year, overly politically opportunistic.

    That said, Romney is also coming across as wishy washy and opportunistic. I'm not sure who I'm voting for because I find neither candidate particularly inspiring. For the first time in my life I'm seriously considering sitting this one out.
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    disagree henry.

    he hasn't attempted to compromise on anything. when confronted with the results of democratic processes he doesn't accept...he has resorted to regulation and Executive Orders to enforce his will.

    more disturbing, however, is the propensity of this administration for....ummmm....shall we say...distorting the facts. it is breathtaking, as well, how lawless things have become.
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    The poorly-named 'Obamacare' was the result of a thousand compromises.

    The rest of your post ... I disagree. He's not 'abusing' his position any more than any other president has.
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    Let's also not forget the many times he has openly discussed an idea that he wants to see come to fruition, and rather than let the process do it's thing, he says in advance that if Congress isn't behind him, he'll circumvent them. He might as well just wipe his ass with the Constitution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeSr619 View Post
    perhaps not but he is very vocal and pompous about what he does and how he protrays his actions. telling americans "you didnt do that yourself" in any context is rude.
    Absolutely. That was a very bad speech and as long as he's president it's going to haunt him. Like I said, he's not the leader many of us had hoped he'd be.

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    Let's also not forget the many times he has openly discussed an idea that he wants to see come to fruition, and rather than let the process do it's thing, he says in advance that if Congress isn't behind him, he'll circumvent them. He might as well just wipe his ass with the Constitution.
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    Obama's not nearly the first president that has ever threatened congress in such a fashion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry View Post
    The poorly-named 'Obamacare' was the result of a thousand compromises.

    The rest of your post ... I disagree. He's not 'abusing' his position any more than any other president has.

    the glory is you and I enjoy enough freedom to disagree!
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    Quote Originally Posted by fansince62 View Post
    the glory is you and I enjoy enough freedom to disagree!
    God Bless America.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeSr619 View Post
    perhaps not but he is very vocal and pompous about what he does and how he protrays his actions. telling americans "you didnt do that yourself" in any context is rude.
    I thought so too until I actually heard the speech. Then I got mad at how manipulative FOX is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goaldeje View Post
    I thought so too until I actually heard the speech. Then I got mad at how manipulative FOX is.
    Exactly...its so ridiculous how badly they've taken it out of context at this point. Its even worse that people actually believe it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanky Livingston View Post
    Exactly...its so ridiculous how badly they've taken it out of context at this point. Its even worse that people actually believe it.
    Yep, my 92 year old grandmother called me up ranting and raving about it, and had not heard the speech. Now, she hates Obama anyway (it actually IS a race thing with her), so there wasn't any use arguing, but it was depressing listening to her spout off FOX News talking points one after the other.

    Sigh.
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    I have to admit I agree with Mike on this one. Even taken in context it was ... not a great speech. Maybe not as bad as Fox claimed but I think Obama got a little carried away.
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