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    Default Sammy and Robert Griffin III

    Both Texans and I believe they are the best QB's to ever wear the Burgundy and Gold.

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    With all due respect, while I am as high on Griff as any fan of the Skins, he has to prove it on the field before I am willing to say this. After all, we did have a HoF QB in the late 60s and early 70s by the name of Sonny Jurgenson that a lot of folks around these parts are pretty fond of. Not to mention Joey T., a running up for the Heisman his senior year with the Irish, who lead our boys to their first ever Super Bowl win and might himself have been a HoF QB had he gotten to play out his career.

    This is not to say Griff can't or won't be that one day because I certainly believe he can.
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    Yea I'm glad all the RG3 fans are excited but he's got a LONG way to go before he enters that conversation. Sammy was a hell of a player but Sonny was a better quarterback and pure passer than Sammy or really any other QB this team has ever had. What made Sammy that much better was his innovative play, two way play as a safety and leading the league in punting and passing at the same time. Sonny was still a better passer/QB.

    And RG3 hasn't even taken a practice snap.
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    I'm sure there is good reason for such great optimism and it would be awsome to have Griff take his place amongst the greats of Skins lore in a couple of decades.

    For now, however, let's hold off on the deification process at least until rookie camp..
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    My Dad was lucky enough to see Sammy, Sonny and Joe play in person. I saw Sonny, Joe and Ryp live. Living in CO, I can't wait for RG3 to play in Denver. Hoping to add him to that list of all-time great Redskins QB's.
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    Of course I am speculating. Only time will tell. Talk to me about ten years from now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RG3 Fan View Post
    Of course I am speculating. Only time will tell. Talk to me about ten years from now.
    Trust me, we would love to be able to say in 10 years that Griff is the greatest player to ever wear the burgundy and gold. I think I can safely say every single Redskin fan in the world wants that. We are just trying to temper our expectations today. Partly to protect to Griff and partly to protect ourselves.

    But to a person, we are all pretty damn tickled to have him on our team today.
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    Comparing players across era's is tough to do with any kind of validity. Even grading them knowing they had different coaching staffs and supporting casts is tough to do.

    Bottom line - Griffin looks to be a promising young QB with all the potential in the world to be a great one. Whether he is or not, we're going to have a lot of fun finding out.
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    I had thought about that comparison also. To me, at this point, it's not about what Sammy accomplished as an NFL player, it's about the fanfare regarding his coming to Washington from Texas, combined with the potential for the franchise. Griff coming in to his introductory press conference wearing a stetson and cowboy boots would have been classic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbo View Post
    My Dad was lucky enough to see Sammy, Sonny and Joe play in person. I saw Sonny, Joe and Ryp live. Living in CO, I can't wait for RG3 to play in Denver. Hoping to add him to that list of all-time great Redskins QB's.

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    Way too early for comparisons. I think he has the potential to be very special, but time will tell if he can reach the heights of those before him.
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    Yeah, I am buying into the RG3 hype, but until he leads the league in passing, int's, and punting in the same year, he is never going to be Sammy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elephant View Post
    Yeah, I am buying into the RG3 hype, but until he leads the league in passing, int's, and punting in the same year, he is never going to be Sammy.
    Elephant - I couldn't agree with you more (except for the punting part). I just think that if he stays healthy all of the rest will happen eventually.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RG3 Fan View Post
    Elephant - I couldn't agree with you more (except for the punting part). I just think that if he stays healthy all of the rest will happen eventually.
    I am not sure if you were aware that Sammy Baugh led the league in Punting on special teams, passing as a QB on offense and interceptions as a DB on defense in the same single season. That's what I meant.

    I think RG3 would probably be a great DB if he played both ways. Heck, the kid could probably be good punter as well if he put his mind to it but Sammy did all three for the Redskins.
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    No way to truly compare the two (different skill set, different style game). But, it is my speculation that if RG 3 gets ten healthy years he will go down in Redskin history as one of the greatest Redskin QB's. It would then be ironic that the two best in history were Texans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RG3 Fan View Post
    No way to truly compare the two (different skill set, different style game). But, it is my speculation that if RG 3 gets ten healthy years he will go down in Redskin history as one of the greatest Redskin QB's. It would then be ironic that the two best in history were Texans.

    That is for sure!
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    Sammy Baugh is the best pro football player, EVER, imho.

    on edit: He was the original gun slinger at QB. And he didn't just do all those other things either, he was a player coach as well as the team leader.

    I'm happy to have the Michael Jordan of football now too
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    Samuel Adrian "Slingin' Sammy"[1] Baugh (March 17, 1914 – December 17, 2008) was an American football player and coach.

    As expected, Baugh was drafted in the first round (sixth overall) of the 1937 NFL Draft by the Washington Redskins, the same year the team moved from Boston.[10] He signed a one-year contract with the Redskins and received $8,000, making him the highest paid player on the team.[2] He is credited for making the forward pass an integral part of the offensive play in the NFL.
    During his rookie season in 1937, Baugh played quarterback, defensive back, and punter, set an NFL record for completions with 91 in 218 attempts and threw for a league-high 1,127 yards.[9] He led the Redskins to the NFL Championship game against the Chicago Bears, where he finished 17 of 33 for 335 yards and his second-half touchdown passes of 55, 78 and 33 yards gave Washington a 28–21 victory.[2] His 335 passing yards are the most in a playoff game by any rookie QB in NFL history. The Redskins and Bears would meet three times in championship games between 1940 and 1943. In the 1940 Championship game, the Bears recorded the most one-sided victory in NFL history, beating Washington 73–0.[2] After the game, Baugh was asked what would have happened if the Redskins' first scoring drive had resulted in a touchdown. He shrugged and replied "What? The score would have been 73-7."
    In 1942, Baugh and the Redskins won the East Conference with a 10–1 record. During the same season the Bears went 11–0 and outscored their opponents 376–84.[2] In the 1942 Championship game, Baugh threw a touchdown pass and kept the Bears in their own territory with some strong punts, including an 85-yard quick kick, and Washington won 14–6.[2]

    Baugh was even more successful in 1943 and led the league in passing, punting (45.9-yard average) and interceptions (11).[2][10] One of Baugh's more memorable single performances during the season was when he threw four touchdown passes and intercepted four passes in a 42–20 victory over Detroit.[2] The Redskins again made it to the championship game, but lost to the Bears 41–21. During the game, Baugh suffered a concussion while tackling Bears quarterback Sid Luckman and had to leave.[2]

    By the time he retired, Baugh set 13 NFL records in three player positions: quarterback, punter, and defensive back. He is considered one of the all-time great football players.[1] He gave birth to the fanaticism of Redskins fans. As Michael Wilbon of The Washington Post says: "He brought not just victories but thrills and ignited Washington with a passion even the worst Redskins periods can barely diminish."[1] He was the first to play the position of quarterback as it is played today, the first to make of the forward pass an effective weapon rather than an "act of desperation".[1] He was the last surviving member of the inaugural class inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 1963, including Bronko Nagurski, Red Grange, Jim Thorpe, Curly Lambeau, Don Hutson, George Halas, Ernie Nevers, and Mel Hein.

    Two of his records as quarterback still stand: most seasons leading the league in passing (six; tied with Steve Young) and most seasons leading the league with the lowest interception percentage (five).[9] He is also third in highest single-season completion percentage (70.33), most seasons leading the league in yards gained (four) and most seasons leading the league in completion percentage (seven).[9]
    As a punter, Baugh retired with the NFL record for highest punting average in a career (45.1 yards), and is still second all-time (Shane Lechler 46.5 yards), and has the best (51.4 in 1940) and fourth best (48.7 in 1941) season marks. As a defensive back, he was the first player in league history to intercept four passes in a game, and is the only player to lead the league in passing, punting, and interceptions in the same season.[2][9] Baugh also led the league in punting from 1940 through 1943.[10]
    When comparing Baugh's athletic achievements with modern football greats, consider the actual football he threw then was rounder at the ends and fatter in the middle than the one used today, making it far more difficult to pass well (or even to create a proper spiral).[1]


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    Default Sammy Baugh the Greatest NFL Player Ever IMO

    I would agree that Sammy is the greatest NFL player ever. He was amazing. Not sure if RG3 will reach that height, but it will be fun to see how close he comes in his career.
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