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    Jarvis Jenkins is only six days into his first NFL training camp, but the rookie defensive lineman is already turning heads.

    A daily standout in one-on-one drills between offensive and defensive linemen, the 2011 second-round pick has been the subject of praise from both Mike Shanahan and Jim Haslett. The 23-year-old defensive end has seen action at both defensive end spots during the first week of camp.

    But while Jenkins knows he’s generated some early-August buzz, he’s not celebrating just yet.

    “The main thing for me is to come in here and get the plays down and get my technique right,” Jenkins said. “I couldn’t show I was a rookie. I’ve got to play like a veteran. I have to learn from these older guys and I need to do it quick.”

    Adjusting from college ball to the NFL is an arduous task for any rookie, but because Jenkins is learning a new position his learning curve is increasingly steeper.

    A defensive tackle in a 4-3 defense at Clemson, the Redskins are asking Jenkins to play on the outsides of their three-man front.

    “Everything is new to him,” said Redskins defensive coordinator Jim Haslett. “It’s not uncommon or anybody playing any position that he’s never played before. They’re all going through growing pains.”


    Haslett and his defensive assistants are convinced, however, that Jenkins won’t have any problems converting to Washington’s defensive scheme.

    “He’s ideal for [the 3-4],” Haslett said. “He’s a big human being, he’s very coachable, he likes to work. Everything you’re looking for in that position, he fits the bill.”

    Jenkins’ college role demanded that he stuffed the run first and rushed the quarterback second. That’s not going to change in the NFL. But the 315-pound defender feels like he can use his quickness to create consistent penetration when rushing the passer.

    “Obviously I’m big and I use power but I can also convert to speed so I kind of mix it up a little bit,” Jenkins said. “Maybe I’ll bullrush one time but the second time I’ll rip outside and just try to get off the edge, mixing it up and not giving my guy one thing to block.”

    The fact that Jenkins spent much of Wednesday’s workout at left defensive end in intriguing because the team signed new starters to play right-end (Stephen Bowen) and nose tackle (Barry Cofield). Returning starter Adam Carriker is expected to anchor the left side of Washington’s front.

    Carriker’s play improved as the season progressed last season. He’s stout against the run and he showed quality pass-rushing burst in a late-season game at Jacksonville. But Jenkins will look to spend the rest of training camp trying to close the gap between he and the holdover starter.

    “He’s a big, strong, powerful kid,” Haslett said about his rookie. “Once he gets his footwork and his technique down then he’ll fit into the defense fine.”

    Jenkins’ goal is to fit in better than ‘fine.’ He wants to make an impact.

    “I want to help these guys out right away,” he said. “I want to show that they made the right choice.”

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    Not to be a jerk but Kemo looked like a world beater in camp last year too. I actually do hope this kid pans out, he will have a much better chance if they keep him at end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rymanofthenorth View Post
    Not to be a jerk but Kemo looked like a world beater in camp last year too. I actually do hope this kid pans out, he will have a much better chance if they keep him at end.
    In the back of my mind I keep thinking Jenkins is dominating in camp because our OL is pathetic, but they are still professionals, so who knows. Reports are that Jenkins is really strong and quick - two key ingredients. We'll have to wait until we see some preseason action to really find out what the kid's got.
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    well the scouting reports all said he was a hard worker, had great quickness and explosion for a big kid and that he wasnt a one trick pony moves wise, all very good things for a 4-3 3 tech tackle, he also put up an extremely weak 17 reps in the bench press but he countered that with a great vert and 3 cone for his size. the early rumblings were that he was gonna play nose and I blasted this pick based on that and if he plays RE (the stand at the point guy in most 30 fronts, we could be in trouble, however if he plays the LE spot (more of a 5tech who shoots into the backfield a lot) he should be at least serviceable and potentially good. I just cant shake how we all fell for Kemo and our Dline last year in camp when it became painfuly obvious that they looked good because they were playing our Oline.

    I may be in the minority, but the more I look at who we have added the more I think we are getting guys who will be able to switch back to the 4-3 and be solid. I have yet to see us draft a pure 3-4 guy or even sign one in FA aside from Bowen, even Bowen was a head shaker, but I imagine he will play the right side in the 3-4. and cofield will be used somewhat like Ratliff shooting gaps, the issue is we lack the linebackers that the pokes have.

    I am going to make an updated 3-4 thread with all our new additions once camp ends and we are more sure of where guys are going to play, right now im in wait and see before being dissapointed mode. I have to say though, Jenkins is reminding me of another very big guy who had a poor bench press at the combine. I wont mention his name as people here might lose their minds lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rymanofthenorth View Post
    I have to say though, Jenkins is reminding me of another very big guy who had a poor bench press at the combine. I wont mention his name as people here might lose their minds lol.
    Warren Sapp?

    I'm not saying Jenkins is W Sapp, but bench press is overrated big time.
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    actually Albert haynesworth. Bench press in general is overrated for most positions, so is 40 time, but there are key metrics you use for certain positions, for instance, a bad 40 time doesnt hurt an OG or DT as much as a weak bench, just as a bad bench means almost nothing to a CB or WR but a bad 40 sure does.
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    W Sapp only had 17 also. I know what you're saying, but certian body types are better than others when it comes to bench press, like having short arms and a big chest.

    I would be worried if he wasn't benching atleast 400, 375 at the very worst. Either way, this is something you can improve.
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    Jenkins was a solid pick. Gary Horton the former scout said he was one of the 'sleepers' of the draft and would be a good player for us for a long time.

    Put your preconceptions about what the player can and can't do away. Few if any of us has broken down his game the way Horton or the Redskins coaches have.

    They know more than we do.

    Things are different in the case of a Rex Grossman or other veteran who we HAVE seen quite a few times in game action and can more properly evaluate vs. their peers.
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    Sorry BT but after watching us look embarrassingly bad on defence last year I no longer think anyone we have on the defencive side of the ball is going to know more than I do, I was already a guy who knew at least as much as most pro coaches, now I know I know more than at least a few so called pro coaches. Its not like its anything that even a mediocre coach or an informed fan would not have seen.

    sadly I don't think I am the only one, there are a lot of knowledgeable fans out there and frankly most of them were saying the same things I was saying. How guys who get paid to break down film and have access to NFL film didnt see this stuff I dont know.

    I think jenkins could be an excellent 3 tech in a 4-3 and a solid 5 tech in a 3-4, I also think he would be a decent but not special NT. Time will tell but there is a reason that players being asked to switch positions are called reaches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rymanofthenorth View Post
    Sorry BT but after watching us look embarrassingly bad on defence last year I no longer think anyone we have on the defencive side of the ball is going to know more than I do, I was already a guy who knew at least as much as most pro coaches, now I know I know more than at least a few so called pro coaches. Its not like its anything that even a mediocre coach or an informed fan would not have seen.

    sadly I don't think I am the only one, there are a lot of knowledgeable fans out there and frankly most of them were saying the same things I was saying. How guys who get paid to break down film and have access to NFL film didnt see this stuff I dont know.
    [video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHipzGL4dwM[/video]

    Sorry. Couldn't resist.
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    Jenkins will never compare to Haynesworth, simply because he is coachable, and can play more than one position.
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    Also, lol @ Ryman saying he knows more than pro coaches. LOL.
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    Really happy to hear this. The D line is going to be much different than last season.
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    Lanky I think my track record more than speaks for itself, I have never understood the almost awe that most fans have for pro coaches, the simple fact is that many of them are flawed, some of them are so specialised that they literally know almost nothing outside their specialty and are pretty much one trick ponies.

    Having been around the pro game a lot and having known some extremely knowledgable fans, you might be surprised at how often an astute and knowledgeable fan is correct when a supposed experienced pro coach is wrong in my experience. Do I really have to list how many things I have been correct on (and wrong on) as compared to our current staff?

    A Fan will often be a homer, thats the nature of a fan but they also tend to want what they feel is best for their team and not for their career.

    as for Jenkins time will tell, he seems to be a solid kid, hopefully he is put in positions to make plays.
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    Correct me if I am wrong but there are a minority of players that come into the NFL from college who have significant experience in the 3-4 defense. So you have defensive ends being drafted high with the expectation they can move to outside linebacker and 4-3 tackles being drafted with the expectation that they can transition to the nose.

    Yes, I agree that last year we all knew it was going to be a nightmare on defense because guys like Andre Carter and Albert Haynesworth were being asked to transition to new positions at age 30, and other players on the DL were either waiver wire/street free agent pickups (Bryant, etc.) or were undersized or overage players that were going to struggle (Golston and Daniels).

    Jenkins is an example of how important #2 picks are to a building team.

    Often you can find a first round talent in Round 2 and sign them at a 'discount'.

    Unfortunately for the Redskins in recent years they have either traded away their #2 picks or made horrible selections with them as Vinny did in 2008.
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    BT- its all about skillset and athleticism, and the ability to identify guys who have the ability to transition those skills into different schemes, actually most 3-4 DE's were usually either very big 4-3 base ends (like Daniels) or college Dtackles who had better skills at standing up at the point than being upfield guys. most OLBs are guys who were probably a bit weaker at playing the run but athletic enough to learn to play in space.

    Last year was an absolute joke, the scheme was terrible, the players didnt fit and on top of that we played unsound football. This year we have yet agains decided to move more guys, drafted guys who may be versatile but arent sure things by any stretch and yet again ignored the most important position in the 3-4 lol. I think Jenkins could be solid as a 3-4 LE (the pass rusher) he is pretty explosive, just weak in the upper body. He would be excellent as a 4-3 3 tech and probably bad as a nt. time will tell, but I have yet to be wrong about anything to do with our defence.
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    I agree with where Jenkins will end up on the DL and I don't expect to see him inside at DT except on long yardage downs where the team may use the 4-3.

    But overall my argument is that picking players for this defense is difficult in April because of the issues in projecting skills to a wholly new position.

    So teams like the Steelers and Ravens that have run the 3-4 successfully and continue to acquire capable and compatible talent - we can only hope the Redskins scouts and GM sharpen their knives with further practice
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rymanofthenorth View Post
    BT- its all about skillset and athleticism, and the ability to identify guys who have the ability to transition those skills into different schemes, actually most 3-4 DE's were usually either very big 4-3 base ends (like Daniels) or college Dtackles who had better skills at standing up at the point than being upfield guys. most OLBs are guys who were probably a bit weaker at playing the run but athletic enough to learn to play in space.

    Last year was an absolute joke, the scheme was terrible, the players didnt fit and on top of that we played unsound football. This year we have yet agains decided to move more guys, drafted guys who may be versatile but arent sure things by any stretch and yet again ignored the most important position in the 3-4 lol. I think Jenkins could be solid as a 3-4 LE (the pass rusher) he is pretty explosive, just weak in the upper body. He would be excellent as a 4-3 3 tech and probably bad as a nt. time will tell, but I have yet to be wrong about anything to do with our defence.
    Last year was a joke because of one primadonna's unwillingness to sacrifice stats for the good of the team. The NT position is of upmost importance, and because of Fat Albert, we were thin there. And before you go on about how he didn't fit the 3-4, blah blah blah, I don't care. We have to agree to disagree on that. He's a professional - either way he should have buttoned down and gave it his best go. Instead, he pouted and came in to camp out of shape.
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    I agree that guys should be professionals. But Haynesworth gave every indication of being an immature person who couldn't be motivated by anything other than money.

    When he said he had no interest in playing NT or being part of a 3-4 even as a DE, I believed him and knew he was going to become a problem in the locker room.

    Sometimes you have to size up the person and treat them based on the basis of their history rather than your own wishful thinking.

    Something similar but less confrontational happened with McNabb. Another veteran the coach thought would be willing to make changes to his game, his mechanics,etc despite being 34 years old.
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    This is true, BT - but you have to keep in mind that Shanahan is not responsible for bringing in the Fat One. Should he have handled the situation better? Sure. But I think even Shanahan was fooled by just how selfish and immature Albert was. I mean, he's an adult, and Shanny is the type of coach that expects men to act like men, not little girls.
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