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Which Side Are You On?

Which side of the NFL labor battle are you on?

  • Owners - they own the teams and how much money they make is their business

    Votes: 18 78.3%
  • Players - they are the talent, without them there are no games

    Votes: 5 21.7%

  • Total voters
    23
If I were an owner...I'd play hardball with the players.

- you want revenue sharing? fine. we're also going to implement cost sharing so you are part of the whole deal

- no more pool sharing among franchises. a franchise goes under and player jobs are lost? too bad. so sad.

- failure to perform will be written into contracts as grounds for long-term suspension or fines from the league. no more Haynesworths, no more Dion Sanders...and the dozens of other vets we have seen in DC sign fat paychecks and then laugh all the way to the bank while not performing.....fairness my arse! how about integrity among these clowns?

- I'd like these players and owners to give money back to the fans in every city where the team has performed to the lowest standards of crap football.

- I'd like to see every player involved with the law for significant crime banished from the league. Can't police your own? well then....again....take a hike. that's what happens in other businesses. no more Mike Vicks.

we'll get to agents later!

btw...does anyone really believe the Tom Brady's/Peyton Mannings of the world care about the special teamers and bit players on the roster?
 
FS, I can agree with a lot of your post, but you act like the Washington Redskins organization and owner haven't been a little responsible for our sulkiness the past decade. I don't know what the split is, ,but having the players alone bear responsibility seems ludicrous to me.
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FS, I can agree with a lot of your post, but you act like the Washington Redskins organization and owner haven't been a little responsible for our sulkiness the past decade. I don't know what the split is, ,but having the players alone bear responsibility seems ludicrous to me.
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Oh...I agree 100%.

I just think the owners are playing the game smart right now by keeping their mouths shut while the players keep marching off with the theme of the week. The last few days the player message has been "this is all about accepting a cut in the player share and that is why we want to see the books." Problem is...that is not what the players said early on. early on it was about revenue sharing. today I heard one ex-player discussing how the current impasse was on the owners shoulders due to the lockout...in response to a question about a player strike. problem is the decert strategy and subsequent litigation has been on the player shelf for a long, long time.

Don't get me wrong...I don't see any heros in this. both sides are chasing the benjamins and will worry about the fans later.
 
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If I were an owner...I'd play hardball with the players.................
Agreed.

I'd also like to know why the players shouldn't have to share their endorsement money with ALL players.

If owners have to share, and waitresses have to share, then why shouldn't the players?

Not to mention that, 100% of players endorsement money is a direct result of playing in the NFL. It is therefore NFL generated money. Why shouldn't the owners get a cut of that?
 
Once again a false analogy is being used by the players. If I go buy a car, I deserve a Carfax report is not the same as the owners opening their books to the players. That is more inline with the fans knowing who is playing on a given Sunday to decide whether they want to buy a ticket to the game or not.

The salesman of that company does not have the right acess to owner's statements.
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Once again a false analogy is being used by the players. If I go buy a car, I deserve a Carfax report is not the same as the owners opening their books to the players. That is more inline with the fans knowing who is playing on a given Sunday to decide whether they want to buy a ticket to the game or not.

The salesman of that company does not have the right acess to owner's statements.
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Yeah, I thought the same thing. I think the owners started out being unreasonable, but as things have progressed, the players are acting like children. The tin-foil-hat-wearing side of me wonders if the owners deliberately afronted the players at the beginning of the process, knowing they planned to capitulate and make the players look bad. The whole respect card is being played way too much by the players. They need to realize that respect can be earned by being the bigger man, so to speak, and compromise. Instead, they seem intent on standing up for themselves, to the detriment of getting a deal done.
 
I hear people mentioning how expensives beers are, and other cost associated with being a fan of the team. Thats directly associated to the product, if the players take more money that money is going to come from you.

thats why I sided with the owners, when looking at the money the players make Im ok with them not making more cause I dont want to have to pay anymore to see them play. Its already too ridiculous of a cost to attend games, and if the players get more money then those ridiculous cost are gonna have to go up to compensate that.

Its just like when the government taxes a product, the producer isnt gonna just eat it hes gonna make you pay it. Sales tax anyone, how did that go over for us as consumers.

I dont know how much money a player should make, but I wouldnt moan a second at any job I have ever done if I made what they make. I understand wanting fair pay, I want that myself and I dont get it, but at the same time I know that if I could set what I want to get paid any place would go out of business.
 
I've been in favor of the owners on this one since the fight started. For several reasons, but mainly because of the issue with the books, and the revenue split.

Even if I had been on the fence, the thing that would have pushed me to side with the owners was when they made a last ditch effort and offered to basically keep things damn near the same, in effect giving up on almost every one of their requests, and the players didn't want to compromise at all. It was a big F you, we aren't budging.

In my opinion, the owners honestly wanted to get a deal done, and the players association was being asinine.
 
In my opinion, the owners honestly wanted to get a deal done, and the players association was being asinine.


I agree with all of your post, but I will add I think it goes beyond the NFLPA. It has been mentioned here and I have been reading elsewhere that DeMaurice Smith is the culprit. Of course the players are responsible, but it seems like D. Smith has an agenda that goes beyond this case. Some have suggested he has political aspirations and that there was never any intention to solve this before the lockout. He is just trying to make a name for himself.
 
I agree with all of your post, but I will add I think it goes beyond the NFLPA. It has been mentioned here and I have been reading elsewhere that DeMaurice Smith is the culprit. Of course the players are responsible, but it seems like D. Smith has an agenda that goes beyond this case. Some have suggested he has political aspirations and that there was never any intention to solve this before the lockout. He is just trying to make a name for himself.

Exactly. I was discussing the same thing with my father the day the lockout started. It didn't help Smith's case at all when a few players mentioned they wanted a deal done and it was all falling on him.

They pretty much made it sound like it was a case of them following the lead of the guy they put in charge, and they had no say so in the matter. The worst part is, even though he was the catalyst, he is the only one involved who isn't being hurt by the lockout and it sucks.
 
I agree with all of your post, but I will add I think it goes beyond the NFLPA. It has been mentioned here and I have been reading elsewhere that DeMaurice Smith is the culprit. Of course the players are responsible, but it seems like D. Smith has an agenda that goes beyond this case. Some have suggested he has political aspirations and that there was never any intention to solve this before the lockout. He is just trying to make a name for himself.

I read a few weeks back (I believe it was on Rotoworld) that if the disbanding of the union backfires, the players may fire him. From what I have read, he is on thin ice. He better hope this works in his favor.
 
Even though it will take a while to rule, yesterday seems to have gone the players' way. Smith needs to strike now while things seem to going his way and get the owners back to the table. If he is unwilling to negotiate, the judges may not look so kindly on his side.
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While you guys continue to bash the players, saying they don't want to get a deal done and all that, keep in mind that the NFL brings in the most money (by far) of all 4 major sports, however the players are paid the least.
 
While you guys continue to bash the players, saying they don't want to get a deal done and all that, keep in mind that the NFL brings in the most money (by far) of all 4 major sports, however the players are paid the least.

They should be paid the least for one glaring reason....look how many games each sport plays..

MLB: 162
NBA: 82
NHL: 82
NFL: 16

You can't seriously be trying to say a guy that plays 16 games should get paid like a guy that plays 82 or 162 games, are you?

Look how the pay breaks down per game, based on the highest paid player's salary in each league...

MLB (Alex Rodriguez) $202,000/Game
NBA (Kobe Bryant) $302,000/Game
NHL (Vincent Lecavalier) $100,000/Game
NFL (Tom Brady) $1,125,000/Game

Simply put, Tom Brady makes more money per game than the top earners in ever other sport combined by nearly double. You will be hard pressed to find anyone sympathizing with the players or agreeing that they are underpaid.
 
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Yes, yes I am. There are 162 baseball games in a season, true, however I bet you need an average of 10 baseball games to get the TV viewership of one football game. And TV contracts the MLB has are nowhere close to the TV contracts the NFL has.

Attendance wise, NFL stadiums get 80-90K people per game, a sold out baseball game is around 40K, a sold out hockey game is around 20K (and most hockey & baseball games do not sell out).

Physically, only hockey compares to the NHL. There are 162 baseball games, sure - but the wear and tear on the body from one NFL game is way higher than from one baseball game.
 
Yes, yes I am. There are 162 baseball games in a season, true, however I bet you need an average of 10 baseball games to get the TV viewership of one football game. And TV contracts the MLB has are nowhere close to the TV contracts the NFL has.

Attendance wise, NFL stadiums get 80-90K people per game, a sold out baseball game is around 40K, a sold out hockey game is around 20K (and most hockey & baseball games do not sell out).

The NFL also spends astronomically more in promotions, marketing, donations, giveaways, etc. than every other sport. Stadium maintenance is considerably higher too. Not to mention that an NFL team has a 53 man roster they have to pay, plus practice squad players, more doctors, more security, more specialists, more insurance, etc.

You have to look at things from both sides. It isn't like the NFL is just sitting around generating money without putting out any.

There are 1,696 players in the NFL. Just shy of the amount in every other league combined. That's a lot of money being spread around. The players aren't hurting for cash, and they aren't getting my sympathy any time soon. keep in mind, I think the owners are jackholes too, but I agree with them on the lockout issues for the most part.

Right off hand, the only thing the players are talking about that I can think of that I agree with, is paying more money to ex players, and giving them longer health insurance. I think 10 years or more in the league as a starter should qualify you for lifetime health care from the league.
 
I agree with all of your post, but I will add I think it goes beyond the NFLPA. It has been mentioned here and I have been reading elsewhere that DeMaurice Smith is the culprit. Of course the players are responsible, but it seems like D. Smith has an agenda that goes beyond this case. Some have suggested he has political aspirations and that there was never any intention to solve this before the lockout. He is just trying to make a name for himself.

The more I read and hear about this pissing contest, the more I think Smith and Goodell should be canned. Then we start all over.

If Upshaw and Tags were still running the show this would have been over a long time ago.
 

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