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    Rebuilding. Not since the days of the Black Death, Smallpox, and Cholera has a word struck such fear into the hearts of man. Or at least the...

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    "pain, suffering, and misery of the protracted variety, and merciless ridicule at the hands of opposing fans"


    Seems par for the course to me. I'm all in. Blow it to pieces and start over. Rebuild it bigger, better and stronger. Wish we hadn't wasted a year trying to patch work it yet again. But, it does seem that the inevitable is finally upon us, to much relief.
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    Boone, I loved that article but I would have changed one word ,it wasnt overestimating the talent, it was misjudging it that was Shannahans downfall. This season. it doesnt seem like a big difference but that one word in my mind is what almost every one of shannys mistakes boils down to. If as most teams do, we improved running a 3-4 and if Mcnabb had been the Redskins version of Elway as Shanny had assumed, we would have easily been playoff bound, and on the surface those things looked possible. after all Mcnabb is a big strong armed QB with some mobility and on the surface looked like a possible elway type. most teams do improve when they move to a 3-4 and on the surface we looked like a team that had potential to do that when you just look at our physical stats.

    as weve seen, Mcnabb simply isnt on Elways level mentally or physically and isnt even remotely the same kind of QB, aside from his arm strength, comparisons to elway are laughable. Where Elway compensated for his loss of mobility with knowledge and savvy, Mcnabb hasnt shown that at all. In a big play oriented system he could still be decent if given some really good receivers but in a ball control offence he simply is a terrible fit.

    On the defence, we learned that despite being prototype size/speed for 3-4 olbs, Carter simply cant play it and Rak is still more suited to playing DE, despite having off the charts measurables for a 3-4 nose tackle Haynesworth simply isnt suited for the position either mentally or durability wise. none of our Linebackers were really suited skillsetwise to a 3-4 BUT all of them are still pretty good and would still be good in a different scheme, to me thats not overestimating the players thats underestimating the value of tailoring your scheme to the talent you have available and perhaps overestimating his own coaching ability.



    Im worried about Shannahan as a player evaluator and personnel man, he has proven himself a very good offencive Coordinator but the rest of its been lacking.
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    McNabb and not Haynesworth was the true albatross because everyone knew Haynesworth was unstable and didn't want to be here from the start. Nothing in regards to Albert really was a surprise.

    But McNabb supposedly came with a pedigree for being an intelligent player that did his offseason work and lead by example.

    Then we find out that McNabb while talking a good game to the media about 'adapting to life here in Washington' was in effect resisting executing the offense installed by the coaching staff because it took him out of the comfort zone of what he did in Philly and that his practice habits left something to be desired.

    That explains how McNabb's play hasn't been markedly different than Grossman's.

    McNabb had his game against Houston and Grossman had his game against Dallas, but the remainder of Donovan's games and the game Grossman played against Jacksonville were remarkably similar.

    Some good throws, some bad. Defense having to set up the win with field position.
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    At this point I wouldn't say 'rebuilding' strikes fear into my heart at all. I would be more fearful of staying the course, pretending we're just a couple of players away and maintaining the less that mediocre results of the last 3 years.

    Rebuiling sounds good to me.
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    The only way rebuilding will be tolerated, by the fickle, uneducated football fan, is if it is done the way they think it should be. Any move, not advocated by each particular fan, will be attacked if results aren't immediate, and better than just, good.

    I know some could handle a total blowup/rebuild, but most can't. Of course, everybody thinks they can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ax View Post
    The only way rebuilding will be tolerated, by the fickle, uneducated football fan, is if it is done the way they think it should be. Any move, not advocated by each particular fan, will be attacked if results aren't immediate, and better than just, good.

    I know some could handle a total blowup/rebuild, but most can't. Of course, everybody thinks they can.
    Ax, quite true, except I would delete one word from your post.

    The word "educated."

    Neither intelligence nor level of educational achievement do not, in my observation, deter people from making errors when the subject at hand has a strong emotional component-and football fans get really emotional at times and this sometimes overwhelms critical thinking and reason. I've seen this on every NFL fan forum I've visited.

    Including here, of course. The two most common I've observed are ad hominem attacks-attacking the person rather than the argument "_____ said it and he's a idiot, dunce, liar, douchebag, (whatever) therefore the argument is wrong, and Excluded Middle fallacies in which a statement is assumed to imply the most extreme position possible-without regard as to the possibility of more moderate or nuanced meanings, in order to more easily attack the statement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by servumtuum View Post
    Ax, quite true, except I would delete one word from your post.

    The word "educated."

    Neither intelligence nor level of educational achievement do not, in my observation, deter people from making errors when the subject at hand has a strong emotional component
    Just to be clear, when I say uneducated, it is directed solely at "football/coaching/personnel/leader/operational" smarts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulldog's Twin View Post
    McNabb and not Haynesworth was the true albatross because everyone knew Haynesworth was unstable and didn't want to be here from the start. Nothing in regards to Albert really was a surprise.

    But McNabb supposedly came with a pedigree for being an intelligent player that did his offseason work and lead by example.

    Then we find out that McNabb while talking a good game to the media about 'adapting to life here in Washington' was in effect resisting executing the offense installed by the coaching staff because it took him out of the comfort zone of what he did in Philly and that his practice habits left something to be desired.

    That explains how McNabb's play hasn't been markedly different than Grossman's.

    McNabb had his game against Houston and Grossman had his game against Dallas, but the remainder of Donovan's games and the game Grossman played against Jacksonville were remarkably similar.

    Some good throws, some bad. Defense having to set up the win with field position.
    and neither had an offensive line that was above average.....a critical detail everyone seems to forget. hard to function when running/ducking for your life.....even harder when getting sacked multiple times a game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ax View Post
    The only way rebuilding will be tolerated, by the fickle, uneducated football fan, is if it is done the way they think it should be. Any move, not advocated by each particular fan, will be attacked if results aren't immediate, and better than just, good.

    I know some could handle a total blowup/rebuild, but most can't. Of course, everybody thinks they can.

    hmmm...fan psychology 101...eh?

    well....we've basically...as fans...been subjected to 18 yrs of blah. the fans are still here. as one who advocated blowing it up at the end of last season....I know I can live with 2-3 years more of "coulda, woulda, shoulda". Even if off the mark..it will be refreshing to follow a Skins' team with a strategy it keeps to as a guide to consistent decision-making. Shanahan, I believe, is smart enough to move the ball forward. how much? don't know. that'll be part of the fun over the next few years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ax View Post
    Just to be clear, when I say uneducated, it is directed solely at "football/coaching/personnel/leader/operational" smarts.
    Thanks for the clarification, Ax. See, I made an incorrect inference-nobody's immune.
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    I'm giving it a 2-4 year window. Looking for improvement in all areas. Redskins, you're on the clock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ax View Post
    Just to be clear, when I say uneducated, it is directed solely at "football/coaching/personnel/leader/operational" smarts.
    Also, to be even clearer, I am part of the "uneducated" fan base, along with everybody else.

    Even though my brilliance, and my ability to discover, assess, and ultimately solve, almost any problem known to mankind, MUST be acknowledged.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ax View Post
    Also, to be even clearer, I am part of the "uneducated" fan base, along with everybody else.

    Even though my brilliance, and my ability to discover, assess, and ultimately solve, almost any problem known to mankind, MUST be acknowledged.
    Yep...definitely an NFL football fan...and absolutely a Redskins fan. LOL!
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    I'm giving it a 2-4 year window. Looking for improvement in all areas. Redskins, you're on the clock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ax View Post
    Even though my brilliance, and my ability to discover, assess, and ultimately solve, almost any problem known to mankind, MUST be acknowledged.
    All hail the Ax man!!!!!
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