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We will not be mocked!

Starting at 8:00pm EST tonight, Round 1 of the 2018 draft will finally, mercifully, be upon us.

Absent an unexpected trade, the Redskins, picking 13th, will likely make their pick shortly after 10:00 pm. In the interim, each of the 12 teams ahead of the Redskins will get 10 minutes “on the clock” to field potential trade calls, act studiously nonchalant for the cameras, and secretly pray, to all each exec holds holy, that the pick they end up making doesn't end up costing them their jobs.

It's time to go shopping, Redskins fans.

Each Redskins pick will be listed below, with a bit of info (scouting reports, highlight vids) to whet the appetite, that everyone can then feel free to supplement, expand and expound upon.

Let the Draft Debate begin …



Round 1 (13) – DT Da'Ron Payne, Alabama




For Immediate Release
April 26, 2018

REDSKINS DRAFT DL DA'RON PAYNE WITH NO. 13 OVERALL PICK

LOUDOUN COUNTY, Va. – The Washington Redskins selected defensive lineman Da'Ron Payne in the first round (No. 13 overall) of the 2018 NFL Draft.

Payne (6-2, 311) played in 44 games at Alabama from 2015-17. During his time with the Crimson Tide, Payne compiled 102 tackles (39 solo), 5.0 tackles for loss, 3.0 sacks, five pass breakups, two fumble recoveries, one forced fumble and one interception. Payne was an integral part of an Alabama defense that helped the team qualify for three consecutive College Football Playoff National Championship berths, including titles following the 2015 and 2017 campaigns.

Last season, Payne totaled 53 tackles (21 solo), three pass breakups, one fumble recovery, 1.0 sack, one interception and one offensive touchdown in 14 games, earning first-team All-SEC honors from the Associated Press. In the Sugar Bowl, he recorded his first career interception, returned it 21 yards and then capped the ensuing drive with a one-yard touchdown reception. He garnered Defensive MVP honors in both the Sugar Bowl and the College Football Playoff National Championship.

As a sophomore in 2016, Payne tallied 36 tackles (12 solo), 1.5 sacks and one pass breakup in 15 games. He also scored the first touchdown of his collegiate career at Ole Miss on a three-yard return of a fumble forced by current Redskins linebacker Ryan Anderson. He also appeared in all 15 games as a freshman in 2015, contributing 13 tackles (six solo), a half-sack and a forced fumble.

Payne, 20, attended Shades Valley High School in Irondale, Ala., where he was rated as a five-star prospect and the No. 1 player in the state of Alabama by Rivals.com. He was born May 27, 1997.

NOTES ON THE SELECTION OF DA'RON PAYNE

· Payne is the 467th selection made by the Redskins in the Common Draft era (since 1967) and the 29th first-round selection in that time frame. He is the 60th first-round selection by the Redskins all-time since the institution of the draft in 1936.

· Payne's selection marks the second straight year in which the Redskins have selected a defensive player with their first selection of the draft (DL Jonathan Allen in 2016). The last time the Redskins selected defensive players with their first selection in consecutive drafts was in the 2013-14 drafts, in which the team selected CB David Amerson and LB Trent Murphy, respectively (both in the second round).

· With the first-round selections of Allen and Payne across the 2017-18 drafts, the Redskins have now selected a defensive player in the first round of consecutive drafts for the first time since 2004 (S Sean Taylor) and 2005 (CB Carlos Rogers).

· The selections of Payne and Allen – both University of Alabama products – in the first round of back-to-back years mark the first time the Redskins have selected players from the same school in the first round of consecutive drafts in the Common Draft era. It is the second such occurrence in the team's full draft history, including the selections of Oklahoma's George Thomas and Leon Heath in the 1950 and 1951 drafts, respectively.

· Payne and Allen became the first set of college teammates from the same position group selected by the same NFL franchise in consecutive first rounds since the San Francisco 49ers took Oregon defensive linemen Arik Armstead and DeForest Buckner in the 2015-16 drafts, respectively.

· Payne is the 10th defensive player selected by the Redskins in the first round since 1999, joining CB Champ Bailey (1999), LB LaVar Arrington (2000), S Sean Taylor (2004), CB Carlos Rogers (2005), S LaRon Landry (2007), DE/LB Brian Orakpo (2009), LB Ryan Kerrigan (2011) and DL Jonathan Allen (2017). Nine of the 10 defensive players selected by the Redskins in the first round in that time frame have earned at least one Pro Bowl selection during their career. The lone exception – Allen – was limited to five games by a season-ending Lisfranc injury as a rookie last year.

· Payne's selection marks the sixth time in the Common Draft era that the Redskins have selected a defensive lineman in the first round, joining Jonathan Allen (2017), Ryan Kerrigan (2011), Brian Orakpo (2009, transitioned to linebacker in 2010), Kenard Lang (1997) and Bobby Wilson (1991). The Redskins also selected Tracy Rocker (1989, third round), Markus Koch (1986, second round), Bob Slater (1984, second round), Duncan McColl (1977, fourth round) and Bill Brundige (1970, second round) with the team's first selections of each of the drafts listed.

· With the selections of Payne and Allen, the Redskins have now used first-round selections on defensive linemen in consecutive drafts for the first time in the Common Draft era.

· Payne is the 24th player from the University of Alabama selected by the Redskins all-time, joining B Riley Smith (1936), B Charley Holm (1939), E Sandy Sanford (1940), T Fred Davis (1941), G Ed Hickerson (1941), G Tony Leon (1943), B Bobby Jenkins (1945), T Fay Mills (1946), B Harry Gilmer (1948), B Lowell Tew (1948), T Dick Flowers (1949), E Ed White (1950), B Eddie Salem (1951), C Elliot Speed (1951), B Billy Hicks (1956), T Billy Neighbors (1962), E Tommy Brooker (1962), DB Steve Higginbotham (1972), DT Thomas Rayam (1990), T Chris Samuels (2000), G Arie Kouandjio (2015), DL Jonathan Allen (2017) and LB Ryan Anderson (2017). Alabama's 24 all-time selections by the Redskins are third-most from any school in franchise history, trailing only Notre Dame (34) and USC (30).

· Payne's selection at No. 13 marks the fifth-highest the Redskins have selected a player from the University of Alabama, trailing B Harry Gilmer (No. 1 in 1948), B Riley Smith (No. 2 in 1936), T Chris Samuels (No. 3 in 2000) and B Lowell Tew (No. 4 in 1948).

· Payne is the eighth Southeastern Conference product selected by the Redskins in the first round in the Common Draft era. The Redskins have now selected an SEC product in the first round of consecutive drafts for the first time since 1999 (Georgia CB Champ Bailey) and 2000 (Alabama T Chris Samuels).

· Payne becomes the third player selected by the Redskins all-time with the No. 13 overall pick, joining FB Ray McDonald (1967) and DE/LB Brian Orakpo (2009).


Round 2 (44) - Traded to SF for the 59 and 74


Round 2 (59) - RB Derrius Guice, LSU



For Immediate Release
April 27, 2018

REDSKINS DRAFT RB DERRIUS GUICE, T GERON CHRISTIAN ON DAY 2 OF 2018 NFL DRAFT

LOUDOUN COUNTY, Va. – The Washington Redskins selected running back Derrius Guice in the second round (No. 59 overall) and tackle Geron Christian in the third round (No. 74 overall) of the 2018 NFL Draft.

Guice (5-11, 224) played in 36 career games with 17 starts at LSU from 2015-17. During his collegiate career, he accrued 3,074 rushing yards and 29 rushing touchdowns on 471 carries in addition to contributing 32 receptions for 250 yards and three receiving touchdowns. His 3,074 career rushing yards rank fifth in school history, and his 6.53 yards-per-carry average ranks second all-time in SEC history behind Auburn's Bo Jackson (6.62).

Last season, Guice earned second-team All-SEC honors from the league's coaches and media after rushing for 1,251 yards with 11 touchdowns on 237 carries. He eclipsed 100 rushing yards in five games, including a season-high 276 yards in a win at Ole Miss.

As a sophomore in 2016, Guice led the SEC in rushing yardage (1,387) despite only starting six of the 12 games in which he appeared, garnering first-team All-SEC honors at running back in addition to earning a second-team all-purpose selection from the league's coaches. He played in 12 games as a freshman in 2015, contributing 436 rushing yards and three rushing touchdowns on 51 carries.

Guice, 20, attended Catholic H.S. in Baton Rouge, La., where he earned 5A all-state and all-metro honors after rushing for 1,101 yards and 11 touchdowns as a junior. He was born June 21, 1997.

Christian (6-5, 298) played in 39 career games at Louisville, starting every contest in his three seasons with the Cardinals from 2015-17. Last season, he was an integral part in Louisville finishing third in the nation in total offense (544.9 yards per game) and 11th in the nation in scoring offense (38.1 points per game), ranking atop the ACC in both categories.

In 2016, Christian was a third-team All-ACC selection. He started all 13 games and helped quarterback Lamar Jackson become Louisville's first Heisman Trophy winner and the youngest in the award's history. Christian was also an honorable mention All-ACC honoree as a freshman in 2015 when he was the lone offensive lineman to start all 13 games for the Cardinals.

Christian, 21, attended Trinity Catholic H.S. in Ocala, Fla., where he was named to the 3A all-state team. He was born Sept. 10, 1996.

NOTES ON THE SELECTION OF DERRIUS GUICE

· Guice is the 468th selection made by the Redskins in the Common Draft era (since 1967) and the 38th second-round selection in that time frame. He is the 56th second-round selection by the Redskins all-time since the institution of the draft in 1936.

· Guice becomes the first offensive player selected by the Redskins in the second round since the team selected three offensive players in the second round of the 2008 NFL Draft.

· Prior to Guice's selection, the Redskins had selected a defensive player with their last six second-round picks, including the selections of LB Ryan Anderson (2017), S Su'a Cravens (2016), LB Preston Smith (2015), LB Trent Murphy (2014), CB David Amerson (2013) and DL Jarvis Jenkins (2011). (Note: The team did not make a second-round selection in 2012.) The six consecutive second-round picks on defensive players prior to Guice represented the longest stretch used by the Redskins on one side of the ball in the second round in the Common Draft era.

· Guice becomes the first running back selected by the Redskins in the second round since the team drafted Iowa's Ladell Betts with the No. 56 overall pick in 2002.

· Dating back to 2011, the Redskins have now selected a running back in eight consecutive drafts, the team's longest stretch since taking a running back in nine consecutive years across the 1983-91 drafts, which each consisted of 12 rounds.

· Guice is the 12th LSU product selected by the Redskins all-time, joining E Charlie Webb (1946), B Red Knight (1947), E Charlie Webb (1947), B Dan Sandifer (1948), T Ray Potter (1952), B Vince Gonzales (1956), E Billy Shoemake (1959), RB Bob Brunet (1968), TE Robert Royal (2002), S LaRon Landry (2007) and LB Perry Riley (2010).

· Guice becomes the first LSU product selected by the Redskins in the second round in franchise history. His selection marks the fourth-highest the Redskins have selected a player from LSU, trailing S LaRon Landry's selection at No. 6 overall in 2007, B Red Knight's selection at No. 17 overall in 1947 and B Dan Sandifer's selection at No. 28 overall in 1948.

· Including the selections DL Jonathan Allen and LB Ryan Anderson in 2017 and the selections of DL Da'Ron Payne and Guice in 2018, the Redskins have selected four players from the Southeastern Conference with their four most-recent first- and second-round picks. It marks the first time the Redskins have taken four players from the same conference with four consecutive first- or second-round picks in the Common Draft era.

· Guice becomes the sixth player selected by the Redskins all-time with the No. 59 overall pick, joining T Roy Young (1938), T Bob Hendren (1946), T Hank Harris (1947), B Gary Lowe (1956) and FB Jim Snowden (1964).

· Guice was selected with a pick acquired by the Redskins in a draft day trade in which the Redskins sent the Nos. 44 and 142 overall picks to San Francisco in exchange for the Nos. 59 and 75 overall selections. It marked the Redskins first selection using an acquired pick in the 2018 NFL Draft.


Round 3 (74) - OT Geron Christian, Louisville



NOTES ON THE SELECTION OF GERON CHRISTIAN

· Christian is the 469th selection made by the Redskins in the Common Draft era (since 1967) and the 35th third-round selection in that time frame. He is the 65th third-round selection by the Redskins all-time since the institution of the draft in 1936.

· Christian becomes the first offensive lineman selected by the Redskins in the third round since the team selected two linemen – T Morgan Moses and G/C Spencer Long – in the third round of the 2014 NFL Draft. Those two players combined to appear in 96 regular season games with 80 starts for the Redskins across the 2014-17 campaigns.

· Christian becomes the ninth offensive lineman selected by the Redskins in the first three rounds since 2000. Three of the offensive linemen selected in that timespan (Chris Samuels in 2000, Trent Williams in 2010 and Brandon Scherff in 2015) have combined for 14 career Pro Bowl appearances.

· Christian is the fifth player from Louisville selected by the Redskins all-time, joining T Ron Petty (1961), TE Jamie Asher (1995), LB Robert McCune (2005) and LB Josh Harvey-Clemons (2017).

· With Christian's selection in 2018 and the seventh-round selection of LB Josh Harvey-Clemons in 2017, the Redskins have now selected a Louisville product in consecutive drafts for the first time in team history.

· Christian becomes the first Louisville product selected by the Redskins in the third round in franchise history. His selection at No. 74 marks the highest the Redskins have selected a player from Louisville, surpassing TE Jamie Asher's No. 137 overall selection in the 1995 NFL Draft.

· Christian becomes the fourth player selected by the Redskins all-time with the No. 74 overall pick, joining G Marcel Saunders (1936), E Russ Brown (1964) and G Paul Siever (1992).

· Christian was the Redskins' second selection in the 2018 NFL Draft to come by virtue of an acquired pick. The Redskins enter Day 3 with another five selections in the 2018 NFL Draft, including four acquired picks.


Round 4 (109) - Troy Apke, Safety, Penn State



Draft Profile (courtesy of Bleacher Report):

POSITIVES

—Blew up the combine with a 4.34 in the 40-yard dash, 41-inch vertical jump and 6.56-second three-cone.
—Height, weight, speed prospect teams will hope can develop.
—Doesn't get scared in run support.
—Has ability to match up with tight ends at the line.
—Works like a smaller linebacker against the run and is active.

NEGATIVES

—Inconsistent producer and gets lost in space.
—Lots of missed tackles on tape from poor technique (dipping head).
—Football IQ appears low based on timing, angles and alignment.
—Stiff through transitions and moves more like a sprinter than a safety.
—Has added weight in the past, and his frame is maxed.
—Small hands (8 ⅜"); under the NFL threshold.

OVERALL

The 6'1", 200-pound Troy Apke made a name for himself at the NFLPA game and then again at the NFL Scouting Combine, but we're still talking about a player who was an afterthought on film. Unless he can quickly improve his diagnosing skills and football IQ, he'll just be a track guy in pads.

PRO COMPARISON: Chris Clemons, retired


Round 5 (163) - Tim Settle, DT, Virginia Tech



Draft Profile (courtesy of Bleacher Report):

POSITIVES

—Excellent combination of size and speed at 6'3" and 335 pounds.
—Played nose tackle but has the quickness and lateral agility to potentially line up in gaps and penetrate.
—Has an awesome motor and is a relentless player in pursuit who will fight through the whistle.
—Reworked his body before the 2017 season and saw his production and impact shoot through the roof.
—Pad level is nearly perfect and makes him hard to get hands on, so he wins with easy leverage against interior linemen.

NEGATIVES

—One-year starter with limited impact before 2017.
—Teams are concerned he's still a work in progress and needs to keep reshaping his frame.
—Can get hung up on double-teams and needs to learn better technique to shed.
—Wears himself out with his high-motor style of play and conditioning issues in the past.

OVERALL

Tim Settle has been one of the biggest risers on the board throughout the season. His power, quickness and effort make him a coach's favorite. If he can keep his weight in check and improve his conditioning, Settle is a likely early starter.

PRO PLAYER COMPARISON: Dontari Poe, Carolina Panthers


Round 6 (197) - Shaun Dion Hamilton, ILB, Alabama



Draft Profile (courtesy of Bleacher Report):

POSITIVES

—High football IQ and leader of a very successful defense with some highly drafted players.
—Will provide great depth at linebacker with a late-round selection.
—Has been asked to play many roles in Alabama's defense and was productive.
—Keeps good position and outside shoulder free to force plays inside.
—Good footwork on film with quick drops and limited false steps.

NEGATIVES

—Doesn't initiate contact with ball-carriers; lets them make contact with him.
—Multiple injuries while at Alabama. ACL and fractured kneecap.
—Undersized. Weighing in at only 228 pounds and 6'0".
—Bailed out in missed reads by outstanding talent around him.

OVERALL

Two bad right knee injuries cannot be overlooked by NFL teams. Shaun Dion Hamilton has not been able to test for teams and needed to show his range and athleticism. Fundamentally, Hamilton is very solid and well-coached. An instinctual player who can drop into coverage and play in traffic. Despite not being the best prospect at the position, Hamilton has been able to earn playing time in a star-studded defense throughout his career at Alabama. Teams will fall in love with his IQ and leadership skills.

PRO PLAYER COMPARISON: D.J. Alexander, Seattle Seahawks


Round 7 (241) - Greg Stroman, CB, Virginia Tech



Draft Profile (courtesy of Bleacher Report):

POSITIVES

—Smooth backpedal that can match the release from receivers.
—Above-average athlete with the ability to mirror in space.
—Downfield speed is good and gives him more leeway to play tight at the line of scrimmage.
—Transition steps waste no motion, and he gets into redirection in a hurry.
—Short-area explosiveness is good and closes windows quickly.

NEGATIVES

—Thin everywhere and no butt (6'0", 180 lbs).
—Play strength is a problem in every phase.
—Will be routinely bodied by possession receivers at all levels of the field.
—Comes with tackling technique concerns that are only heightened by a lack of weight behind him.
—Receivers will match his speed with leverage and naturally bend him out of throwing windows.

OVERALL

Stroman is an excellent athlete, but his size is well below NFL thresholds in almost every regard. He's a slot corner and nothing else, and he will struggle to handle size given his own frame is already maxed out. Teams will be able to routinely send mismatches his way for easy completions at all levels of the field. While he has the transitional skills and attitude to compete, he may be too small to carve out any true role. He's worth a look and could become a value depth player at a backup slot spot.

PRO PLAYER COMPARISON: Tarell Brown, retired


Round 7 (256) - Trey Quinn, WR, SMU



Draft Profile (courtesy of Bleacher Report):

POSITIVES

—Sure-handed with massive 10 ⅛" mitts.
—Uses quick, choppy steps on breaking routes to get open and can separate underneath.
—Exceptional understanding of space, timing and leverage on short-breaking routes.
—Used as an inside- and outside-the-hash receiver at SMU.
—Not afraid to make tough catches away from his frame and in traffic.

NEGATIVES

—Limited speed (4.55) for his size (5'11", 203 lbs) will limit his vertical and YAC ability.
—Might top out as a WR4 and offers no special teams value in the return game.
—Athletic traits hint at issues getting off the line of scrimmage against press coverage.
—Scheme helped create space for him to operate in as a route-runner.
—Only had one solid year of production and could be a product of the system.

OVERALL

It might be stereotypical, but Trey Quinn projects as an NFL slot receiver. He doesn't have the size or speed to operate outside the formation and will get bullied at the line of scrimmage if matched up one-on-one. That said, his hands and quickness make him a viable option as a depth receiver.

PRO PLAYER COMPARISON: Jordan Shipley, retired


 
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I keep seeing that our 6th round pick is actually #205...............not #188 .


EDIT: We swapped positions with Cleveland as part of the QB trade.
 
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Roger that. Thanks, brother.
 
Now, add all those numbers together, and you come up with 1148.

On the draft trade value chart, the value of pick #13 is, 1150.

A difference of 2.

So what does all this mean?

It means the Redskins will trade back 2 spaces in the 1st round. In addition to swapping 1st's with the Cards, we'll get 2 3rd round picks.
Their highest 3rd round pick, #79, this year. Along with next years 3rd. (A bidding war drives up the price. Good for us)

And, we still get a game changer at #15.
 
Now, add all those numbers together, and you come up with 1148.

On the draft trade value chart, the value of pick #13 is, 1150.

A difference of 2.

So what does all this mean?

It means the Redskins will trade back 2 spaces in the 1st round. In addition to swapping 1st's with the Cards, we'll get 2 3rd round picks.
Their highest 3rd round pick, #79 , this year. Along with next years 3rd. (A bidding war drives up the price. Good for us)

And, we still get a game changer at #15.

Your mouth to God's ears. We would almost assuredly have a shot at Vea or Payne still.
 
One of the keys is hitting big on that second round pick. A lot of players with first round grades fall to the first half of Round 2. We need to find one.

For once we need to go into camp with a lot of buzz surrounding the ability of not only our #1 but also our #2 pick.
 
The buzz going into camp is worthless.

Now, the buzz after is another story.
 
Roger "Rabbit Dung" Goodell to be flanked by Staubach and Aikman when he takes the stage. The booing hurts his little feelings.

Not gonna stop the boos. He deserves every one of them..........and then some.
 
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Tick.
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Thai Pepper Teriyaki Filet for dinner. Because draft.

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I had baked beans, two burger patties, small amount of mac and cheese, a few shrimp, three deviled eggs. I'm stuffed, but ready for the draft.
 
Okay I'm good, not Vel Vita but pretty pleased with the position pick.

Did anyone else notice the colors on Vita's lay (sp)? Skins were gonna take him and he was prepped for it. Stupid Tampa
 
Aaaaaaaaand my Penguins won! Good evening indeed
 
Skins trying to reunite the Bama D and that isn't a bad thing. :)
 
Okay I'm good, not Vel Vita but pretty pleased with the position pick.

Did anyone else notice the colors on Vita's lay (sp)? Skins were gonna take him and he was prepped for it. Stupid Tampa

Agreed. First thing I thought was "dude is wearing burgundy and gold." I think the pick blindsided him as well.
 
I'm not sure Vita Vea is a better pick than Payne at this point. They are both space eaters, but Payne is far more athletic and coupled with his former linemate Allan should be a monster up front, sans injuries. I like the direction, the moreso in the light of the little g-men drafting Saquon. I mean, facing him and Zeke twice each year means we need some lumber up front, period.
 


We will not be mocked!

Starting at 8:00pm EST tonight, Round 1 of the 2018 draft will finally, mercifully, be upon us.

Absent an unexpected trade, the Redskins, picking 13th, will likely make their pick shortly after 10:00 pm. In the interim, each of the 12 teams ahead of the Redskins will get 10 minutes “on the clock” to field potential trade calls, act studiously nonchalant for the cameras, and secretly pray, to all each exec holds holy, that the pick they end up making doesn't end up costing them their jobs.

It's time to go shopping, Redskins fans.

Each Redskins pick will be listed below, with a bit of info (scouting reports, highlight vids) to whet the appetite, that everyone can then feel free to supplement, expand and expound upon.

Let the Draft Debate begin …



Round 1 (13) – DT Da'Ron Payne, Alabama



Round 2 (44) –

Round 4 (109) –

Round 5 (142) –

Round 5 (163) –

Round 6 (205) –

Round 7 (231) –

Round 7 (241) –



As prescient as ever my brother.
 

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