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04-07-18, 11:36 AM #1
Redskins Recon: Hogan's Heroes?
The Redskins made an unexpected play for a young QB yesterday, but not via the NFL draft as expected – instead, swapping 2018 6th round picks with the Cleveland Browns to acquire 3rd year former Stanford standout Kevin Hogan.
Skins fans either cheering or booing the move, in truth, couldn’t pick Hogan out of a lineup with a gun held to their head.
So what to make of young Mr. Hogan?
Cut by the Kansas City Chiefs who used a 5th rounder to draft him (1 round ahead of Nate Sudfeld btw…). Signed by the Browns and on their roster for 2 unspectacular seasons. Traded to the Redskins for a pick 15 minutes earlier in the 6th round.
The pre-draft scoop on Hogan seems to have been validated by his arc so far in the NFL. Super solid kid, very bright, great huddle leadership. But has horrible mechanics, poor arm strength, and probably at best, is a *potentially* serviceable backup (key words ‘at best’). Not exactly the ‘hidden gem’ teams hope to find with a Hail Mary late round draft pick.
We thought it would be worth sending out a ‘Redskins Recon’ intel patrol to see what those closest to Hogan, Browns fans themselves, had to say upon the news they were losing the young QB prospect. Before we get started, it’s worth noting that finding active, enthusiastic Browns forums ain’t easy. The first forum I found was lead off by a stickied thread titled ‘Why Should I support the Browns?!’.
But where Browns fan commentary could be found, it was fairly enthusiastic when it came to the Hogan deal. Let’s start with those Browns devotees who felt the transaction was a big mistake (don’t worry – this won’t take long).
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On many Browns boards, there were only a smattering of posts of any kind, much less a thread about the latest Browns QB to be cut, released, or traded. Because Browns.
My take on the trade down to acquire Kevin Hogan? He was a good college QB. But like a lot of ‘good college QBs’, he simply doesn’t have the arm talent to make it at the NFL level. By all accounts, Hogan is a super solid citizen, a great teammate, and a motivated leader in the huddle. If only those things were enough in the NFL. The negatives on Hogan now are the same ones his pre-draft scouting reports were riddled with 3 years ago.
‘Does not have an NFL arm’.
‘Mechanics are God-awful.’
‘Not very adept at reading defenses’
It’s true that the Redskins gave up very little to get Hogan. Dropping 17 spots in the 6th round to acquire a player – ANY player – is nothing to get yourself in a tizzy about. But the reason I hate this move is because I believe there’s already enough data to determine that Hogan can’t be a successful passer in the big leagues. You can’t coach that up. He simply can’t make the throws required – not even to be a competent back up. It’s also clear that Hogan was not going to make the Browns roster. He could’ve been had for nothing. Those 17 spots in the 6th round may seem like nothing. But then again, they could prove to be the difference in getting or not getting a project QB in the 6th round who actually does have the physical tools worthy of taking a flyer on.
Browns fans, who’ve seen a lot more of Kevin Hogan than we have, seem to agree with me.Last edited by Boone; 04-07-18 at 03:26 PM.
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04-07-18, 11:53 AM #2
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I was initially flummoxed by this transaction but finding out that he possesses ‘great huddle leadership’ has turned me in favor of it. I just hope moving back a couple of handful of spots doesn’t cost us the next All-Pro 6th rounder.
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04-07-18, 12:01 PM #3
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Lol... always love the Chris snark
To be serious for a second though - we have found some pretty good players in the latter rounds and dropping 17 slots isn't helpful.
Rock Cartwright
Matt Ionaddis
Kedric Goldston
Chris Thompson
Alfred Morris
If you want to go old school, steel yourself - because we got these guys in the 5th, 6th, or 7th rounds:
Harold McClinton
Mark Rypien
Dexter Manley
Mike Bragg
Timmy Smith
Ed Simmons
Pat Richter
Rich Milot
Gus Frerotte
Eddie Lebaron
Chris Hanburger
Those measly 17 spots in the 6th round do matter. If we were getting a guy who really had potential, it's a no-brainer. I think that's very much in question though.
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04-07-18, 12:08 PM #4
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Well, if he breaks out I hope he and his agent are willing to negotiate with us.
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04-07-18, 03:06 PM #5
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Re: Redskins Recon: Hogan's Heroes?
I never saw Hogan play so I am going on the basis of what folks have posted about an average at best arm and lousy footwork.
My immediate thought is why the Redskins couldn't in fact find a BETTER late round prospect by simply staying where they were in the draft and seeing who drops?
When the one fan commented that Hogan was a lot like Joe Flacco, I thought well Flacco hasn't been the best qb in the NFL over time since that 'play out of his mind' postseason in 2011, but no one questions that Flacco has a strong arm and can make the throws.
This kid isn't like Flacco if those earlier reports are true.
My guess is this is a Jay Gruden move.
He probably liked Hogan in 2016 and when he was taken in Round 5 had to settle for Sudfeld in Round 6.
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04-08-18, 05:49 AM #7
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Re: Redskins Recon: Hogan's Heroes?
Oh you guys can laugh now. But wait til we get him in the cafeteria, and then the gym. We add 145lbs of muscle, and BOOM!
Nose tackle deluxe baby!
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04-08-18, 11:56 AM #8
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Wow - took me a minute to get the referenceHoage was a free safety who played for the Cardinals and Eagles and ultimately for the Redskins for a single Super Bowl season in 1991. Only played in 6 games, which I predict is about 6 games more than Kevin Hogan will ever play
He owns a vineyard nowadays. Talk about a blast from the past...
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04-08-18, 12:06 PM #9
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I thought he meant hoagie.
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Re: Redskins Recon: Hogan's Heroes?
Yeah, that was quite a deep pull. I remember him mostly playing with the Eagles. That name always stuck out to me as a kid and every time I hear someone talk about a hogie, I think of Terry Hoage because in my sarcastic teenage years, we would call him Hogie. I vaguely remembered him playing with the Redskins. I think he had an interception at a preseason game I went to. But that could have been some other guy in some other game. I know it was at RFK and it was a preseason game. Whether it was him or not, I associate that play with him.
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04-11-18, 08:12 AM #11
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I say we scout him ourselves:
Seems to me when he has guys running wide open down the field, young Hogan generally puts it in the general vicinity.
Seriously--every single one of those passes was completed.
I wonder if the Skins are going all subliminal here bringing in a number 8.Last edited by Om; 04-11-18 at 09:45 AM.
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Re: Redskins Recon: Hogan's Heroes?
A #8 who doesn't consistently miss wide-open receivers... ? Been about 30 years since we've had one of those.
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04-12-18, 12:49 PM #14
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04-13-18, 02:07 PM #15
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Quite honestly that highlight reel looks far better than the Jason Campbell one did coming out of Auburn.
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Re: Redskins Recon: Hogan's Heroes?
Yep, those were the days. After taking Sean Taylor #1 in 2004, the Redskins really came up cold on their top picks for awhile.
Two #1 picks in 2005 and we came up with Carlos Rogers and Jason Campbell. Then our #1 pick in 2007 was Laron Landry, another washout.
2008 was perhaps hitting rock bottom with THREE #2 picks in Devin Thomas, Malcolm Kelly and Fred Davis. All 3 busts.
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