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Free Agency, Mock Drafts, Camps, Roster Predictions, 2018

Skins have Jamaal Charles onsite today after visiting with Darkwa. Wonder if they'll bring in Adrian Peterson as well?

I think Darkwa based on 'gas left in the tank' and health would likely get the most consideration. Peterson hasn't had a good year since 2015, Charles since 2014. Have to wonder if either of those guys have anything left?

Also reports they are meeting with Lenard Tillery, an undrafted free agent RB who was with the Rams last year before going on injured reserve. He's 24 years old. He played college ball with Danny Johnson.
 
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Word is a visit is in the works for Monday - hasn't happened yet. He's got 12 seasons of beatings under his belt. I'm fine with adding him as veteran depth. But he's not better than the guys we have at this point in his career although a lot of Twitter idiots are arguing he is :)
 
Look folks. At this point unless the Redskins are going to trade a draft choice the likely options are veterans with mileage on the tires or unproven rookie free agents and late round picks cut by other clubs who the Skins might have been interested in drafting.

Them's the breaks - literally when you have this many injuries happen in only 10 days.

I agree about Darkwa. He showed between the tackles ability last year and is still a young guy.
 
Word is a visit is in the works for Monday - hasn't happened yet. He's got 12 seasons of beatings under his belt. I'm fine with adding him as veteran depth. But he's not better than the guys we have at this point in his career although a lot of Twitter idiots are arguing he is :)

I can't believe that there's not some UDFA rbs out there that they could bring in for bodies until some of our guys get back.

Unless they've changed the rules to where AP can use his Rascal on the field, he'll be of no help.
 
Some of our guys get back - you mean like the unproven Marshall and the so far disappointing Perine?

These guys are replacement level players themselves.

Right now, we have one running back who you can call NFL average in Rob Kelley and a bunch of guys that are practice squad material on other teams (Chris Thompson exempted as he is a specialist).
 
It's no surprise that fans who wanted Moses cut after his rookie season would be ready to give up on Perine after his.
 
Some of our guys get back - you mean like the unproven Marshall and the so far disappointing Perine?

These guys are replacement level players themselves.

Right now, we have one running back who you can call NFL average in Rob Kelley and a bunch of guys that are practice squad material on other teams (Chris Thompson exempted as he is a specialist).

Perine is entering his 2nd year - give him a little bit of a break. Don't make me pull out Le'Veon Bell and other current star RB stats :)
Kelley in his only full season ran for 704 yards with a 4.2 y/a average with only 9 starts. I think he has a lot to prove, but he and Perine are decent backs. One could emerge as better than decent.
 
It's been said before, but I think it's our best option - better than an old RB who hasn't played in 3 or 4 years -
Some RB-heavy club is reluctantly let go of a talented RB on final cuts day, possibly with high hopes of stashing him back onto their PS.
 
It's widely acknowledged that running back is among the positions where rookies can come in and show the natural quickness and vision that will project their course in the NFL.

To compare Morgan Moses and Samaje Perine to me is a bit absurd. Perine is not particularly quick, doesn't have great vision and doesn't break tackles. As a running back exactly what are his strengths?

He played in a spread offense in college where there were enough gaps to run without having to face early contact. That covered up to some degree for some of his shortcomings which were exposed last season in the NFL.

Meanwhile, Moses came into the NFL with legitimate size, strength and quickness off the ball to find a place. No, he wasn't a fit at left tackle in the NFL but a lot of college LT's end up at RT. So, that wasn't a huge surprise.

But by the time he returned for Year2 from injury he was ready to play RT. That was one of the reasons Brandon Scherff moved to OG.

Can anyone say right now that in camp in Year 2 and the preseason so far that Perine has stood out in any regard?

If he wasn't a fourth round draft choice he would be as invisible as Marquez Carter was before that 28 yard run against the Jets.

You can't tell me that based on demonstrated ability Perine has earned a place on the 53 man roster to this point.

And I certainly wouldn't depend upon him as the primary backup to Kelley.

We already saw that picture show last year and it wasn't pretty.

Guice/Kelley looked like a good #1/#2 for 2018.

With Guice now out for the season the Redskins to me are down one NFL caliber back and the other guys behind Kelley to me right now are practice squad caliber guys.
 
It's widely acknowledged that running back is among the positions where rookies can come in and show the natural quickness and vision that will project their course in the NFL.

To compare Morgan Moses and Samaje Perine to me is a bit absurd. Perine is not particularly quick, doesn't have great vision and doesn't break tackles. As a running back exactly what are his strengths?

That's an oft-repeated belief that isn't really supported by the facts.

Here are 5 years worth of top 5 RBs (per NFL com - apparently some combination of total yards, yards/attempt, and other stats). For simplicity's sake, I'm just going to list the total rushing yards.

2013
Lacy 1178
Stacy 973
Bell 860
Ellington 652
Bernard 695

2014
Hill 1124
Mason 765
McKinnon 538
West 673
Williams 721

2015
Gurley 1106
Rawls 830
Yeldon 740
Williams 517
Gordon 641

2016
Elliott 1631
Howard 1313
Kelley 704
Booker 612
Washington 467

2017
Hunt 1327
Fourette 1040
Kamara 728
Mixon 626
Perine 603

With a few exceptions, what those stats tell me is that it is very rare to see a rookie RB with dazzling stats right out of the gate (and we are looking at just the top performers during those 5 years). For every Ezekial Elliott, there are 10 other rookie RBs with less than 500 yards total. It's worth noting that Kelley and Perine were in the top groups in their rookie years, warts and all, and that is despite the fact that the Redskins are hardly a rush-heavy offense, and that both played in a running back by committee system. Had either been the 'featured back' consistently they'd easily have exceeded 1000 yds, maybe more in their rookie years.

If you look at probably the fairest measure, yds/attempt, in 2016 Rob Kelley ranked tied for 18th in the league with a 4.2 yard average. That's not great - but that's all RBs and he was a rook splitting time with Matt Jones. In 2017, Perine was much less impressive, tied for 43rd place with just a 3.4 yd average, but again playing in a RB by committee system.

I'm not arguing either will be a perennial pro bowler. But they both have the potential to be solid NFL running backs (particularly Kelley, pre-season performance aside). The idea that we should know immediately based on rookie performances what a RBs potential is may be true. If so - maybe we're in better shape given both Kelley and Perine's rookie years and how they compare to other teams RBs.

I respect that I have the minority opinion and that time will tell if either of these guys has the talent to be a starter. My main argument is that both have just 1 full season of work, and that the results of their full rookie years should give us hope, not lead us to give up on them.
 
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Twitterverse rumor is that Darkwa won't sign with a team unless he's the starter or can compete for the job. That doesn't sound possible in D.C. Just a rumor though, but they didn't sign him so it's either something like that, they weren't impressed, or he's got unrealistic salary expectations.
 
What's our remaining cap now? Im glad the team isn't stupid with the debit card this year though.
 
Twitterverse rumor is that Darkwa won't sign with a team unless he's the starter or can compete for the job. That doesn't sound possible in D.C. Just a rumor though, but they didn't sign him so it's either something like that, they weren't impressed, or he's got unrealistic salary expectations.

Is it possible they still sign him later, and not signing him immediately doesn't necessarily mean they won't sign him ?
Just like job interviewers want to see all the candidates in completion, then take time to mull it over, then make a decision.
Because it looks like they still plan to see AP. Perhaps they want to wait until they see both or yet another, and decide which one overshadows the other(s).
 
To hear Gruden say it today, they are doing due diligence in case one of the short-term injuries turns into a long-term injury. Didn't sound like they were definitely going to sign anyone. That could be another explanation for no Darka signing today. It sounded like if they weren't going to have Perine and/or Marshall back by the opener, that they'd definitely be forced to pick someone up.
 
Gruden also said there's a chance Marshall goes to IR.
Damn, last year it was OL. This year it's the RB's. And we're only halfway thru the preseason.

Yeah, it's a rough situation. I did get the feeling Gruden was just responding to the question 'Any chance Marshall goes to IR?' with the obvious 'yes its possible', not because he thinks it's likely. But hell, who knows?
 

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