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    B Behind Enemy Lines - A Thousand Cuts



    Labor Day Weekend. The traditional end of summer, never mind that many of us will have summer heat and humidity for another 6 weeks. The traditional beginning of school, never mind that some kids have nearly 4 weeks in classrooms by now. The traditional marker for the beginning of football season, never mind that the pros don’t kickoff for another week or that training camp has been going for 2 months.

    Growing up I lived for this weekend from January on. There was just something missing for those 8 months and that something was Redskin football. Weekends weren’t really weekends without it.

    But Labor Day Weekend felt more like part of football season than any other non-football weekend going. Suddenly there was something to look forward to in just a week’s time. The roar of the crowd, the crash of shoulder pads, the rush of adrenaline when the team did something exciting. It was close enough to touch.

    But that was then.

    This year there is no excitement, almost no anticipation and very little concern.

    Honestly, for the first time in my life I understand how Scrooge felt about Christmas. I’m very “ba humbug.”

    Somewhere along the lines my beloved Skins and the NFL in general have broken something that I have so far been unable to fix. Like a devout priest who has faced a crisis of faith and found himself lacking, I am short on belief.

    Consider, for the first time in my life I watched not a single minute of pre-season football. And I don’t mean just Redskins football…I mean ANY football.

    I can’t tell you the last time I turned on a sports news show to catch the latest on the NFL or the Skins. I’m not reading news stories from training camp online. I can’t tell you which rookies were hits and which were disappointments. I don’t know the jersey numbers for the new guys and I can’t tell you who is projected to start.

    Hell, I don’t even know who this season’s BGO man-crush is. How bad is that?

    I am blissfully unaware of who the big-name surprise cuts across the league have been or if any of them might get a call from Ashburn to help bolster a weak position. I don’t even know what those weak positions might be.

    Somewhere, somehow, the players, the league and my team have stolen my joy for this great game.

    Oh, it wasn’t intentional on their part and it wasn’t done by any one decisive action. No, this was the legendary “death of a thousand cuts”.

    To give you an idea of what I mean here is a quick list of some of those cuts. It is by no means exhaustive.

    Excessive player celebrations for mundane plays, ridiculous rules about celebrating exciting big plays, piss poor officiating, stupid amounts of money being spent on average players, coaches who outsmart themselves with fancy playcalling, rising ticket prices in an industry where profits are already amazing…

    Just to name a few.

    To bring it closer to home, the Skins themselves have played a huge role in where I am. The inability of Dan Snyder to build a functional organization in the nearly 2 decades he has owned the team tears at my heart and leaves me wondering how anyone could still root for the Jets or the Lions or the Browns.

    We over pay for the wrong guy but try to sign the right guy on the cheap. We have an environment where getting the right guy to sign a fair deal is hard. We have been the last stop on the gravy train for over the hill players looking for that last big score and we have been the league’s punch line for bad jokes.

    I keep hearing that all this is changing. There is a new atmosphere in Ashburn. The Redskins are different now.

    For me, different means seeing a different result on the field. It means winning, not losing or moral victories. It means dominating a football game while showing some class. It means never giving the other team a chance or a hope. It’s the other team knowing what we are going to do and knowing they can’t stop it.

    As I read back over what I have written here it feels disjointed and perhaps unorganized. Not my usual writing at all. Honestly, kinda like my football team.

    I don’t want to give any of you the wrong idea. Skins games are still on my calendar and I will still be watching every Sunday right along with the rest of you (and I’ll be in chat most of the time). I will still wear my burgundy and gold colors and will still support my team.

    But at the same time, I have to admit it’s harder now. Dan Snyder and Roger Goodell need to know that I’m bleeding out. No clue how many cuts I’ve suffered but it has be approaching a thousand.

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    Most of the time I'm like my favorite super hero, Superman. I cannot be cut.

    And in moments where I transform into another favorite super hero, Wolverine, I may get cut, but the healing begins immediately.

    And in the even rarer moments when I identify as one of my favorite female porn stars, when I get cut, I moan, and beg for more.

    I'm sure this helps.

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    I've heard a lot of these kinds of sentiments recently. I have also seen it reflected in a a significant downturn in interest in the NFL, NFL forums, and more importantly the Redskins. While I have some empathy with these feelings, personally I don't really get it. I think I'm in the minority there for sure. But whether one is predicting a 2-14 implosion of a season, firing of the entire coaching staff, loss of the franchise QB, or just feeling generally down about and disinterested in the Redskins and NFL overall, something is definitely going on.

    I will make a few drive-by (and probably not particularly insightful or important) observations:

    1) In terms of the NFL overall - I actually am more positive. I could understand the disenchantment more around the time of the Ray Rice stuff, or when Goodell was weilding his authority like Thor's hammer. But I believe Goodell has been somewhat chastened by all the fan hate and criticism. I also believe the NFL realizes they have a problem when it comes to domestic violence. And they certainly know they have problems related to concussions. Those are tough issues but I believe they are at least aware and trying to address in some ways. The league has relaxed their standards about celebrations which I think most fans were in favor of. Not sure exactly what your are saying on that front Bob - as it sounded like you are both in favor and not in favor of allowing celebrations - how does one determine whether a play is worthy of celebration or not? Anyway ... bottom line, in terms of the NFL 'losing popularity' - I think it's a real phenomenon, but I don't think the NFL is going anywhere and although slow to change, is trying to hear and address fan and public concerns.

    2) We grow up. I know my mindset has evolved as I've gotten older. I realize football is just a game, a diversion for me. Hell - we discussed whether our very own site here would continue in the offseason. It takes a lot of time, commitment, and $$$ as you know to keep it going. I think as we get older, we have other priorities. We grow up. Our jobs are more consuming. Time with our families is more precious and more important to us. We have less energy. We get more cynical. It's harder to muster unrelenting optimism.

    3) I felt part of your blog (which I was so excited to see pop up) was a little lazy. Some of the criticisms seemed based more on the early 2000's than anything the current team has done. The part about the team overpaying for the wrong guy but letting the right guys go - are you talking about Jackson and Garcon? Who've we overpaid for in recent years? Perhaps you could make that case, but it's hardly been like days of yore when that assessment would've been dead on. This ties into your assertion that Snyder hasn't been able to build a 'functional organization' and that we aren't 'winning'. In fact, I'd argue that Snyder has learned. We've got a solid head coach. He isn't a drama queen. He isn't inept. He's a football coach. He's held the team together when they hit rough stretches. And we've been more consistently competitive with him at the helm than in quite awhile. He's made some tough and unpopular decisions (like moving on from RG3). I understand your point about dominating teams but getting to that point has to start somewhere. The Redskins were so inept in recent years that our offensive staff was poached. If that's not a sign that we have been building something I don't know what is? Some point to the McCloughan firing as some doom-and-gloom harbinger of disaster. But if we're being honest - what sea changes did he bring while he was here that were catapulting us to the next level of NFL success? Most of his picks have proven to be dubious or flawed so far. I'm not a Bruce Allen fan, but I think we have shown overall improvement as an organization during the Gruden/Allen era. I think our draft this year, without McCloughan, was better than any of the ones he lead. And while I think we've made some tactical mistakes with the Cousins situation, I will withhold judgement on that until we see what happens in 2018. It's possible it still all works out.

    I get that some fans are 'tired', whether it's fatigue waiting for the next era of Redskins success, or disillusionment with the NFL overall, or just a general waning of their passion related to the NFL and the Burgundy and Gold. I can understand it. I'm not and never will be a Daniel Snyder defender or fan. I'd rather have Pittsburgh's front office and owner than ours. Some fans have even dragged feelings about the past election into the whole level of fandom mix. I just don't understand the 'degree' of negativity, cynicism, and beleagurement I see in fans. But as I said to open, I'm in the minority.

    My bottom line is pretty simple (I'm not that bright). Real football starts in a week. The record is not set. The season is, at least theoretically, full of promise and potential. We all know, in the NFL, anything can happen. I like Jay Gruden a lot and I think he's a far better coach than he often gets credit for being. We are not a team bereft of talent. I'm excited and can't wait to see what these guys can do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boone View Post
    I've heard a lot of these kinds of sentiments recently. I have also seen it reflected in a a significant downturn in interest in the NFL, NFL forums, and more importantly the Redskins. While I have some empathy with these feelings, personally I don't really get it. I think I'm in the minority there for sure. But whether one is predicting a 2-14 implosion of a season, firing of the entire coaching staff, loss of the franchise QB, or just feeling generally down about and disinterested in the Redskins and NFL overall, something is definitely going on.

    I will make a few drive-by (and probably not particularly insightful or important) observations:

    1) In terms of the NFL overall - I actually am more positive. I could understand the disenchantment more around the time of the Ray Rice stuff, or when Goodell was weilding his authority like Thor's hammer. But I believe Goodell has been somewhat chastened by all the fan hate and criticism. I also believe the NFL realizes they have a problem when it comes to domestic violence. And they certainly know they have problems related to concussions. Those are tough issues but I believe they are at least aware and trying to address in some ways. The league has relaxed their standards about celebrations which I think most fans were in favor of. Not sure exactly what your are saying on that front Bob - as it sounded like you are both in favor and not in favor of allowing celebrations - how does one determine whether a play is worthy of celebration or not? Anyway ... bottom line, in terms of the NFL 'losing popularity' - I think it's a real phenomenon, but I don't think the NFL is going anywhere and although slow to change, is trying to hear and address fan and public concerns.

    2) We grow up. I know my mindset has evolved as I've gotten older. I realize football is just a game, a diversion for me. Hell - we discussed whether our very own site here would continue in the offseason. It takes a lot of time, commitment, and $$$ as you know to keep it going. I think as we get older, we have other priorities. We grow up. Our jobs are more consuming. Time with our families is more precious and more important to us. We have less energy. We get more cynical. It's harder to muster unrelenting optimism.

    3) I felt part of your blog (which I was so excited to see pop up) was a little lazy. Some of the criticisms seemed based more on the early 2000's than anything the current team has done. The part about the team overpaying for the wrong guy but letting the right guys go - are you talking about Jackson and Garcon? Who've we overpaid for in recent years? Perhaps you could make that case, but it's hardly been like days of yore when that assessment would've been dead on. This ties into your assertion that Snyder hasn't been able to build a 'functional organization' and that we aren't 'winning'. In fact, I'd argue that Snyder has learned. We've got a solid head coach. He isn't a drama queen. He isn't inept. He's a football coach. He's held the team together when they hit rough stretches. And we've been more consistently competitive with him at the helm than in quite awhile. He's made some tough and unpopular decisions (like moving on from RG3). I understand your point about dominating teams but getting to that point has to start somewhere. The Redskins were so inept in recent years that our offensive staff was poached. If that's not a sign that we have been building something I don't know what is? Some point to the McCloughan firing as some doom-and-gloom harbinger of disaster. But if we're being honest - what sea changes did he bring while he was here that were catapulting us to the next level of NFL success? Most of his picks have proven to be dubious or flawed so far. I'm not a Bruce Allen fan, but I think we have shown overall improvement as an organization during the Gruden/Allen era. I think our draft this year, without McCloughan, was better than any of the ones he lead. And while I think we've made some tactical mistakes with the Cousins situation, I will withhold judgement on that until we see what happens in 2018. It's possible it still all works out.

    I get that some fans are 'tired', whether it's fatigue waiting for the next era of Redskins success, or disillusionment with the NFL overall, or just a general waning of their passion related to the NFL and the Burgundy and Gold. I can understand it. I'm not and never will be a Daniel Snyder defender or fan. I'd rather have Pittsburgh's front office and owner than ours. Some fans have even dragged feelings about the past election into the whole level of fandom mix. I just don't understand the 'degree' of negativity, cynicism, and beleagurement I see in fans. But as I said to open, I'm in the minority.

    My bottom line is pretty simple (I'm not that bright). Real football starts in a week. The record is not set. The season is, at least theoretically, full of promise and potential. We all know, in the NFL, anything can happen. I like Jay Gruden a lot and I think he's a far better coach than he often gets credit for being. We are not a team bereft of talent. I'm excited and can't wait to see what these guys can do.
    I figured this is about where you were, my brother. No worries.

    A few clarifications:

    On your point #1...honestly, the domestic violence stuff had not really figured into my thinking here. I'm not trying to be flip but that goes on in a larger segment of our population than I believe anyone really knows and I'm not surprised by it happening with pro athletes. They are, after all, people too. I can't blame the NFL for it happening anymore than I can any other employer in the world and I feel for them perhaps more than other employers because everything they do is high profile. While they didn't handle it well early on they are learning and figuring it out. Although not mentioned, the concussion business does figure into it and while they might be getting that figured out now it isn't because they want to, it's because they have to. Big difference for me. At this point, I am not convinced the league and the owners care so much about the players as they do their image and the money they might lose. I can see your confusion over the celebration thing. On the one side, I am tired of players celebrating the mundane plays they should be making...ie, don't jump up celebrate like you just scored when what you just did was make a 3 yard gain for a first down or don't dance around like you just got an interception when what you just did was stop a running back after a 3 yard gain. Those are the equivalent of me celebrating successfully sending an email at the office and they are nothing more than "look at me" gestures from men who already get a ridiculous amount of attention. On the flip side of that, the fact that team celebrations like that of the old Redskins Fun Bunch are in violation of league rules really frustrates me. It is, after all, a TEAM game. The receiver who scores on a long bomb didn't do it by himself, why should he then celebrate by himself like the play was ALL him?

    And I don't think the NFL is going anywhere either...at least not for the moment. Honestly, I do think it's days as we know and love it are numbered. Concussions and player health is going to play a huge roll in that too and I think in the long run other sports are going to overtake it as parents hesitate more and more to put kids in football.

    On point #2...I'm sure this is part of it. Without beleaguering the point, my personal life and my pursuits there have taken a huge hit over the last 3 or 4 years due to work and family concerns. Adulting...it's a thing.

    On point #3...I can see how you would find some of this lazy. I nearly left the reference out that you are talking about. However, in the end, this was a piece about how I got here, the thousand cuts that have lead my current state of fan health, and all that crap, though over a decade old, is part of it. Like it or not, part of the mood for some fans like me have their beginnings in things that happened two decades ago. If I am honest, the first cuts came not from Dan Snyder but from Jack Kent Cook with his decisions about how to handle his assets in death. I know it was more complicated than just leaving the team to John but the whole ownership mess started this team down the road to where we are now. And yeah, Dan has learned but it has taken him 2 damn decades to learn. Think about that for a moment...2 decades. What business gets 2 decades to sort out it's mess the way an NFL team does? And why? Because they have loyal fans who will continue to spend their hard earned money in the name of hope. I didn't invoke the names of other teams like the Lions, Jets and Browns lightly. That is where the Skins have dropped to and I am disgusted that a guy smart enough to make the money necessary to buy one of the most expensive sports franchises in the world has ridden the backs of fan loyalty to ever increasing profits while providing us with truly substandard product.

    I think you are mostly right about Gruden. He does deserve a lot of credit and I think he is a better coach than he is often given credit for. Doesn't mean he doesn't frustrate me too.

    I know you aren't here and I am grateful for that. My wife and I just celebrated 25 years of marriage and I have been asked a lot this summer by friends years behind us how we got to 25. My answer is always the same...we aren't allowed to both quit on the same day. I am struggling with my fandom right now but I know you and Om are not about to quit. At least not today. That gives me the freedom to struggle and come to grips with it all.

    Like I said, I'm not walking away from my beloved Skins (or BGO). At least not today. Like I said, I will be on the coach on Sunday, in my traditional opening day burgundy and gold attire with a cold beer, cheering my team on.

    PS - thanks for being excite to see the blog. Sorry it was more of a downer. I'm going to try to write more this season and I will do my best to make the next one more of an upper.
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    For me, it's an overall distaste for the direction the NFL has taken, especially the inability of referees to remain on the same page. It appears at times the fans know the rules better, and see things far more clearly than the refs, other times it is homerism, I get that...but when there is a number of calls made for or against one team, yet they're being called differently than for for another, it's not fun to watch.

    The game that single handedly pushed me over the edge with this mindset was the ref's robbery of the Lions in the playoff game several years back. I didn't even watch the rest of the NFL season after that.

    The only thing that has kept me interested in the NFL is my obsession with the Redskins, which too has been on the decline. I would much rather spend Sunday afternoons with my son, not teaching him how to yell at a TV.

    2 years ago I attended 9 games, the playoff game included. Last year? 2 games. My wife asked me the other day if I was going to the Eagles' game on Sunday, I laughed and said, "No. I am not sure if I'll attend a single game."

    It's time to start going to church and spending more time with family. As hard as I work, I cannot give up Sundays any longer for a group of rich owners who want to exploit me for every dollar they can, a group of players who don't know how good they have it, and league who cannot provide consistency in their officiating and punishment.
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    No apologies necessary - love to see you writing again! We're not as far apart as you think though brother - trust me.

    I did drag in the domestic violence issue, recognizing you didn't mention it, but knowing it's been a factor for a lot of fans. I agree with you 100% on that - in that the NFL has zero control for it. Honestly - it's not an employer's job to sanction legal issues - that is for law enforcement and the courts. I'm not really sure how people come to the conclusion that the NFL needs to regulate personal conduct off the field - makes no sense to me. On the concussion stuff, I'm right where you are. I don't know where that will all go, but I've heard the same arguments made about boxing, that due to its barbarity it will go the way of the dinosaurs. Instead, we've seen even more violent versions of it spring up and thrive. So the idea that there won't always be guys who want to play pro football (no matter how many concerned parents keep their kids off the Pop Warner teams) and that there won't always be a rabid audience of fans to watch it - I think that's just dead wrong. A lot of people predict it - and they are dead wrong too.

    Point taken on the 'thousand cuts' aspect when you were mentioning overpaying and underpaying...I should've caught that.

    But again, you compare us to the Jets, Browns, and Lions... The Jets - that comparison I might buy. They rise up every 4-5 years with a 10 win season, look like they are building something, and then collapse again and start over. That's very similar to the Redskins, and what has driven that trend is their similar impatience with and refusal to retain head coaches. They are probably the team that has operated the most like the Redskins over the years, with similar results. The Lions have been relatively successful over the past 5-6 years, just unable to break through in the post-season. So I see the similarities with the Redskins. But the Browns? Come on man, that's just not a reasonable comparison. The Redskins are not, and have not been the perenially worst team in the NFL, not even anything close to that.

    Anyway - I appreciate your thoughts. And again, they are not 'way out there' - I think a lot of fans have similar feelings. On a bad day, I might even confess they creep into my head. Sure - there have been a thousand cuts. But I think if you look more closely, many of the wounds may actually be healing. We have some medical professionals working on them. If we can just stick with it, soon enough we may be healthy and thriving again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elephant View Post
    It's time to start going to church and spending more time with family. As hard as I work, I cannot give up Sundays any longer for a group of rich owners who want to exploit me for every dollar they can, a group of players who don't know how good they have it, and league who cannot provide consistency in their officiating and punishment.
    I was with you until this paragraph, which I think is a grand overstating of reality. I'm pretty sure pro football owners have always been mostly focused on profit El - it's a business afterall. That the current business is wildly profitable beyond anyone's dreams may be a modern phenomenon, but Pro Football has always been about owning a successful and profitable business. It's not evil - it's capitalism (at least that's what I believe). On one of your other points, sure there are players who don't care and who are purely in it for the $$ and ego-gratification and self-promotion. And then there are the Ryan Kerrigans and Pierre Garcon's who spent big chunks of their paychecks and give of their time generously in the community. I actually think those kinds of guys far outnumber the other - you just don't hear about them to the same degree. As far as being 'exploited' - that one made me laugh. No one forces anyone to watch an NFL game or buy swag. Pro Football is an amazing game, otherwise none of us would be so rabid about it. The NFL produces perhaps the most entertaining product in the history of pasttimes. Has the game taken some hits in the modern era? Sure. But ultimately, the NFL delivers. That's how I see it. And I'm still excited with the approach of every season. I am not 100% certain I believe those who say they no longer look forward to it.

    Can't argue that there are lots of other, more important ways to spend one's time. I hear you on that.

    And the officiating? I got nuthin'
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boone View Post
    I was with you until this paragraph, which I think is a grand overstating of reality. I'm pretty sure pro football owners have always been mostly focused on profit El - it's a business afterall.
    Yeah, but I am convinced that Snyder is more worried about the bottom line than ever providing his fan base with the winner many of us grew to expect. Not saying he doesn't want to win, but I think he is more worried about money than Lombardis. Tell me Kraft thinks that way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Boone View Post
    The NFL produces perhaps the most entertaining product in the history of pasttimes. Has the game taken some hits in the modern era? Sure. But ultimately, the NFL delivers.
    In 20 years, the NFL will be 3rd, at best, among top sports in the country. Not sure if you know, and I am only speaking anecdotally, but the top talents are skipping football these days in my sphere of influence. Parents are keeping them from football because of the health risks, this will only get worse. The only players who will be available to the NFL in years to come are low income, less fortunate players who are seeking away out of economic despair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elephant View Post
    Yeah, but I am convinced that Snyder is more worried about the bottom line than ever providing his fan base with the winner many of us grew to expect. Not saying he doesn't want to win, but I think he is more worried about money than Lombardis. Tell me Kraft thinks that way.




    In 20 years, the NFL will be 3rd, at best, among top sports in the country. Not sure if you know, and I am only speaking anecdotally, but the top talents are skipping football these days in my sphere of influence. Parents are keeping them from football because of the health risks, this will only get worse. The only players who will be available to the NFL in years to come are low income, less fortunate players who are seeking away out of economic despair.
    You may be right about Snyder - I don't know how we can assess that. I'm not certain lack of championship caliber success equates is directly the result of being focused purely on the business spade. But I take your point.

    On the 2nd part I think you are crazy. It doesn't matter who the players are or where the most talented athletes gravitate. Football owns America and it'll be a hundred years before we see that change, if ever.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Elephant View Post
    The only players who will be available to the NFL in years to come are low income, less fortunate players who are seeking away out of economic despair.
    Pretty much no different than now really except maybe at QB and a portion of the offensive line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boone View Post
    You may be right about Snyder - I don't know how we can assess that. I'm not certain lack of championship caliber success equates is directly the result of being focused purely on the business spade. But I take your point.

    On the 2nd part I think you are crazy. It doesn't matter who the players are or where the most talented athletes gravitate. Football owns America and it'll be a hundred years before we see that change, if ever.


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    You're neglecting the rapid growth of of the latin population. American Football will be on the decline, and we will see it in our lifetime. The Super Bowl will be the only spectacle, weekly games will begin to fade.
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    So the 2-14 prediction played a part, at least from one perspective. I'm simply reading some tea leaves and extrapolating info from various insiders - nothing more, nothing less. Eh, one entry into an offseason blog and some of it is my fault. Come on. I had honest reasons for that prediction. Feel free to lambast me there as I have no problem with it. Elsewhere? Come on.

    It's not just me or any other fan contributing to these observations. It's a collective montage and like El said, the financials are getting worse and it is only about that bottom line. I remember during our Super Bowl years when salaries were not major headline news. Signing bonuses were never mentioned. Ticket prices were reasonable. Hotel stays were just fine. I could travel to RFK and not break the budget.

    Now you have outrageous parking fees, outrageous ticket prices, outrageous concession prices, and incredibly outrageous hotel prices. All to see a team that could have a key player saying he needs some time away or another player who will not commit to the team long term? Players who give less than 100%. Support an owner who constantly acts like a pre-teen? Support a team president who got his feelings hurt when the football GM was more popular than him? No. I will gladly watch at home and hope for the best.

    And this is still the best football forum on the planet. You can't convince me otherwise.
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    I think the FO lacks or can't decide on a direction, especially on defense. Geeze, 3 different GMs over the last 5 years sounds like reaching for something you can't see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boone View Post
    I've heard a lot of these kinds of sentiments recently. I have also seen it reflected in a a significant downturn in interest in the NFL, NFL forums, and more importantly the Redskins. While I have some empathy with these feelings, personally I don't really get it. I think I'm in the minority there for sure.
    I too am in the minority. I still "live" for football season and specifically the Redskins. Frustrated? Yes. The only thing I've really had to do, and this is more financial, geographic location and age (geesh) .. was give up my season tickets.

    I do sense the feelings you all speak of. Part of it I believe is the next generation coming in as fans and never having experienced what us "older" folk have... and that is SuperBowl appearances, consistent playoff appearances, etc.

    Just my two cents for what it's worth!
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    No one has 'lambasted' you BB - in this thread or any other I've seen.


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    The Redskins, as well as the NFL have a problem on their hands, and it's got a LOT of different factors that are contributing to it... many of which have been stated here. Another contributing factor is the 'tech' generation the millennials have adapted. For people under 30, it's almost detrimental to watch anything live, on a TV. Everything is streaming. This in turn takes Dads and removes them from watching sporting events with their children. Redskins football has always been appointment television to me. I do it, with my father in law, and my brother in law. We all watch sporting events together. The current generation doesn't have that. They don't have the urgency of 'We HAVE to be home in time for kickoff' so the development of that relationship does not continue to their children... How does the NFL change this? It's going to be very difficult, I honestly don't know. Shows like Hard Knocks help diversify your audience, but it's still going to struggle with the mainstream demographic who refuses to look away from their phones, to view anything live.
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