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    I think that Trump actually believes that he can accomplish anything he wants without help.

    Hillary has the system figured out. As long as a pol doesn't get caught molesting a child or in a restroom with the same gender everything else is doable, in government corruption is the price of admission.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    I think that Trump actually believes that he can accomplish anything he wants without help.

    Hillary has the system figured out. As long as a pol doesn't get caught molesting a child or in a restroom with the same gender everything else is doable, in government corruption is the price of admission.
    That reason right there is why Hilary wins. She understands how to play the game. If she is smart, she will refuse to debate him...simply stating, she refuses to lower herself to his level the way the Republicans were forced to do, that she refuses to let him treat her so disrespectfully as he did Rubio and Bush.
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    I think Trump will win the election by a much larger margin than most people currently believe is possible.

    He has two or three very appealing qualities that I suspect will put him over the top.

    1. Job creation. He's probably signed the actual front of more paychecks than any other candidate in the last 50 years. He's employed tens of thousands. He knows how to run businesses, and the US economy is one of the biggest.

    2. Terrorism and personal safety. What's more important than personal safety? Violence is out of control. He wins huge here.

    3. Outsider. People are fed up globally with politicians that are owned by special interests. He wins huge here.
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    I think it's clear this is not a typical election cycle. Pointing to $$ and political experience and party machinery to determine who wins is good political science in a traditional contest. This will not be a traditional contest. I heard on NPR that Clinton has spent exponentially more on ads against Trump - it's an astronomical difference. It's not having any impact.

    People are pissed. If you are not a conservative, you can't appreciate how pissed. I tend to think McD5 is closer to being right than some may think. Look at the midterm elections. Anger will decide this election one way or the other, and I think Trump supporters (and many in the real middle class regardless of usual party affiliation) are far more pissed than the Democrats realize. If there was a decent outsider candidate I believe Clinton would be 20-30 points down right now.
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    For those of you with FB I saw a fun little quiz on there the other day. Go to each candidates page and count how many of "your friends" like him or her. By no means an exact survey but it's pretty telling all the same.

    Many people posted results and most averaged out to roughly 7:1 in favor of Trump. IMHO all the polls saying HC are in the lead or even close are full of bull hockey.
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    I can't vote Clinton.... I just cant. While many think much of what we see in the media are conspiracy theories, knowing how the political system has degraded to a system of over paid, under worked people who don't produce when they do, I can't just pass them off easily. The higher ya go on the political food chain, the less accountability you'll find, and that's just unacceptable.

    I'm no Trump fan, but if I don't vote for him, that means I don't vote. Not voting is a vote for Clinton as I see it.

    Trump is saying what many feel and freely admit to, and many others, deep down inside know is needed, but can't buy in because Trump is a mad man.

    Honest truth, if I had the means, I'd move to a small mountain village in southern Italy tomorrow. I don't see this country turning around in my life time. My opinion differs from Boone's, in that I believe there will be another American revolution, but it will take some time longer before the masses are to the point of outright rebellion.
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    Let's all move to that small mountain village in southern Italy. Goald bring your pasta maker.
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    "Son,we've about run out of Presidential material"- My Dad,15 yrs ago.

    Thought, well , that's just Dad and his ramblings.

    As each year passes,that statement rings more true and this election cycle, it's like I'm right next to the big church bell.
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    There have been and will always be great American leaders. The problem is, those incredibly talented people rarely are attracted to politics. Why would they be? The other factor imho is that real leaders have to make unpopular decisions. They have to occasionally stand on principle. They have to speak truth. Do those things and the media and your political enemies absolutely annihilate you.
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    All elected officials should be subject to term limits. Representation should be a call to service, not a pseudo lifetime career.
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    I am telling you all right now, you under estimate the power of the media and their complicity in developing a narrative against the GOP if you think Trump wins. Mitt Romney was everything you needed in a candidate to beat Barak Obama, but he didn't...why?

    Trump is going to continue to put his foot in his mouth, he will continue to play catch up because of it...i.e, Ban all Muslims, Mexicans are murderers, and Hilary will get elected...all because the media is in bed with the DNC. Why can't you find anyone close to Trump who says he is a racist? In fact, people closest to him laugh at that idea, saying he is far from it. But that narrative has been written about him when no actual proof has ever been given, except one statement about actual Mexican Rapists and murderers who are coming across the border being twisted into all Mexicans are rapists and murderers.

    Al was saying it 7 years ago when we used to banter about in these forums, but it went unheard...it's not just mainstream media. If you watch movies, tv shows, ESPN, FB, the enormous tech companies like Google and Microsoft, they all steer their audiences toward this idea of fairness and the evil GOP.

    It goes like this...in the morning, the President sends out Josh Ernst to tell you, "This morning, the sky is green. By mid-day you have the bloggers and some mainstream media picking up on this story, by the 4-6pm news that story has been distributed to the big media sources with members of the DNC and media coming out to tell you the sky was green this morning. Then by the time the 11pm news gets here, everyone has heard the sky was green this morning from the news, FB, google searches that steer you toward the DNC narrative and it becomes truth.

    Yes, it goes on with both sides, but tell me why a criminal like Hilary Clinton will actually become President? Because the left has mastered this tactic with more media outlets than the right. The right has FoxNews and talk radio...the left has Hollywood, the tech companies like Google and FB and the mainstream media. It all boils down to which story becomes truth...from the bully pulpit, Obama steers the narrative with the help of those media sources.

    Many on this board see Donald Trump as a terrible candidate and are willing to overlook the corruption of one of the worst of the worst politicians this country has ever seen. What has Donald Trump done that could possibly match Hilary Clinton's criminality? But...people believe the 4-6 second sound bite that doesn't paint the entire picture, and because Trump will continue to communicate his ideas poorly, the media will continue to paint him as unelectable while ignoring Hilary Clinton's corrupt actions for the past 40 years.

    As for the money spent on advertising? Hilary Clinton has spent that money so far, but much of it has been spent buying up air time for commercials in late October and early Novemebr so we have no idea what the effect of that money is at this point. Trump should be doing the same...a good ground game is always the best tactic, if Trump would bite the bullet and actually started micromanaging this election, he might stand a chance. But, his ego and inability to stay away from the cameras for 3-4 days at a time will be his downfall. He thinks he can do it his way, many like that, but it won't win an election.
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    Again - this isn't a normal election. Look at Jeb Bush who was all but coronated as the nominee. Crushed. He also had all of the $$, traditional political power, and lobbyist support a potential nominee could have. It made no difference.

    This election isn't about Trump. It's about the direction Obama has taken the nation, the perception of worldwide chaos and violence and the US's shrinking role in impacting/stabilizing things, and the seeming desire to steer the US towards socialism and globalism. Add to those concerns one of the worst economies ever, crippling national debt, the gutting of our military, and rampant unemployment and stagnant wages, and this is going to be a 'change' election like nothing we've seen since 1980. 'Are you better off now than you were 8 years ago?'. Does anyone dispute the answer to that question?

    I think the grownups have taken over in the Trump campaign. He'll never be 'under control' or easily managed in terms of his communication style. But you can already see he's been reigned in, is more under control, and less outlandish. That's not to say there's any difference in who the guy is - but in terms of fear-mongering by his opponent, I don't think trying to scare the populace into voting for Trump's opponent is going to work. What people are scared of is no change and the US continuing down the path it's on.

    Clinton, like every other politician left in the wake against Trump so far, is ignoring what I think is a sweeping tide of anger, frustration, and disappointment. The level of intensity of that tide is so extreme that even concerns about Trump's psyche and stability will not capsize his campaign. That's my feeling.

    On a sidenote, I thought the Mike Pence selection was very smart. Trump disregards conventional wisdom. Picks a very capable guy who is strong everywhere Trump is weak and who may help carry the midwest states in ways we haven't seen a Republican do in decades. I thought the presser this morning was pretty impressive. That will calm some of the fears voters on the fence might have (setting aside whether that's right or wrong)
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    There's no Grand Conspiracy of All Media that controls Trumps twitter feed. He is probably the most un-filtered candidate in modern history. Isn't that his big draw? That he 'tells it like it is'?

    No. People aren't getting the wrong impression about Trump. Some people just don't care that he handles adversity like a small child, compulsively lies (even for a politician) so much he can't even remember (or doesn't seem to care) what his lies are from week to week, is frighteningly ignorant of the most basic issues and policy, and who is absolutely and utterly incapable of ever admitting he's wrong or apologizing ... ever.
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    This election isn't about Obama. Obama is sitting at a 50% approval rating at the moment.

    This election is about Clinton and Trump. People on the right have been seething about the Clintons for decades. Decades of built-up hatred.

    I'm not about to suggest it isn't warranted. I don't really care to debate whether or not it is. But the Clintons just really, uh, rub Republicans the wrong way. And the thought of another Clinton in office is just incomprehensible. I get it. I understand that. I don't really like her. I think political dynasties in America is a bad, bad idea. But Trump ... my God. I can't even begin to imagine what he will do as president.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boone View Post
    I think it's clear this is not a typical election cycle. Pointing to $$ and political experience and party machinery to determine who wins is good political science in a traditional contest. This will not be a traditional contest. I heard on NPR that Clinton has spent exponentially more on ads against Trump - it's an astronomical difference. It's not having any impact.

    People are pissed. If you are not a conservative, you can't appreciate how pissed. I tend to think McD5 is closer to being right than some may think. Look at the midterm elections. Anger will decide this election one way or the other, and I think Trump supporters (and many in the real middle class regardless of usual party affiliation) are far more pissed than the Democrats realize. If there was a decent outsider candidate I believe Clinton would be 20-30 points down right now.
    What might give Trump the win is a crisis, or an economic downturn, or something that shakes up the status quo. Trumps numbers bump up every time someone who's muslim kills a lot of people. He feeds off that fear.

    Then he says something incredibly stupid, irresponsible, or ignorant (or all three) and his numbers go back down.

    It may just come down to timing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry View Post
    There's no Grand Conspiracy of All Media that controls Trumps twitter feed. He is probably the most un-filtered candidate in modern history. Isn't that his big draw? That he 'tells it like it is'?

    No. People aren't getting the wrong impression about Trump. Some people just don't care that he handles adversity like a small child, compulsively lies (even for a politician) so much he can't even remember (or doesn't seem to care) what his lies are from week to week, is frighteningly ignorant of the most basic issues and policy, and who is absolutely and utterly incapable of ever admitting he's wrong or apologizing ... ever.

    You give the general public too much credit, they don't read his twitter.

    Since you do, can you give me 5 examples of something he's tweeted that are so terrible, you think the criminal Hilary is a better choice?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry View Post
    This election isn't about Obama. Obama is sitting at a 50% approval rating at the moment.

    This election is about Clinton and Trump. People on the right have been seething about the Clintons for decades. Decades of built-up hatred.

    I'm not about to suggest it isn't warranted. I don't really care to debate whether or not it is. But the Clintons just really, uh, rub Republicans the wrong way. And the thought of another Clinton in office is just incomprehensible. I get it. I understand that. I don't really like her. I think political dynasties in America is a bad, bad idea. But Trump ... my God. I can't even begin to imagine what he will do as president.

    My loathing of Obama is far greater than either Clinton, at least with Bill he understood his legacy depended upon working with Newt and Congress.

    If you cannot imagine it, then why would you suggest it would be so horrible as to give the office to Hilary?

    You're pretty good at providing data for other arguments you make, yet you've given no examples of Trump's actions that suggest he is worse than a criminal. Actions...not 140 character staements that are often characterized incorrectly to write the anarrative of Trump the left wants the masses to see.
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    If Twitter is an easy tool the leftist media uses to reshape the media, why in the name of all that is holy does he keep posting unbelievably stupid things? Why doesn't he STFU?

    As mad as you are at the GOP for nominating Trump, I know a lot of Dems who are royally pissed at their leadership for essentially crowning Hillary last year, despite the email scandal that everyone knew was going to turn out poorly.

    The fact that both parties have provided candidates who, any other year would be termed unelectable, is staggering. Hillary would have been crushed by Romney and Trump against Obama is laughable. But against each other, we're all trying to talk up the merits of one or the other so we don't feel stupid for voting for either loser.

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    I think there's a high probability that this election could be over tomorrow if Bernie would take the VP slot.

    That's an absolute no-brainer if you're Hillary. I'm shocked that his name isn't even being mentioned.
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    I don't know that that's true, but it's an interesting proposition. Thing is, no presidential candidate has ever picked a running mate MORE popular than they are. I think that's an imperative that is as close to guaranteed as any edict could be...


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