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  1. Alaskan

    NY Times: US, In Shift, Sees Marriage Act as Violation of Gay Rights

    This post just oozes with condescension, hate and intolerance. Not just for gays but for anyone who dares disagree with the great AX. You were never really concerned that legalizing gay marriage would lead to legalizing bestiality or any other number of deviant behaviors. You simply don’t like...
  2. Alaskan

    NY Times: US, In Shift, Sees Marriage Act as Violation of Gay Rights

    I think what has really got you upset is that I showed how you were using the same argument over and over, how the argument was flawed and how you never defended it. You’re upset because your own arguments made you look silly and I’m the one that pointed it out. And Fan, I’m not ashamed of...
  3. Alaskan

    NY Times: US, In Shift, Sees Marriage Act as Violation of Gay Rights

    I suppose I could call you a dick like you called me. That would lower myself to your level and therefore I could not be accused of being condescending. Would that be acceptable to you?
  4. Alaskan

    NY Times: US, In Shift, Sees Marriage Act as Violation of Gay Rights

    Congratulations on your ability to justify a slippery slope logic fallacy with a red herring logic fallacy. Now that is impressive. First of all the slippery slope: If gay marriage is permitted, the same argument can be applied to polygamy et al. As I have demonstrated, if those arguments...
  5. Alaskan

    NY Times: US, In Shift, Sees Marriage Act as Violation of Gay Rights

    Who ever said that churches would be mandated to perform gay marriages? Simply not true. Chuches can and do refuse to perform marriages for straight couples that do not meet that criteria. That's not going to change. Gay's will have to shop around for a church that accepts gay marriages.
  6. Alaskan

    NY Times: US, In Shift, Sees Marriage Act as Violation of Gay Rights

    Just want to discuss one of Ax’s points before I head out. You are correct that you said that the same arguments could be used to justify any number of deviant or unusual behaviors or justify different marriage relationships. So I responded to it in a serious manner. Although you responded...
  7. Alaskan

    NY Times: US, In Shift, Sees Marriage Act as Violation of Gay Rights

    I would have hoped that there would be enough empathy on this board that people would be able to put themselves in the place of a gay person who is in a committed relationship and desperately wants to be treated like anyone else, to be able to say “I’m married” and to know that society accepts...
  8. Alaskan

    NY Times: US, In Shift, Sees Marriage Act as Violation of Gay Rights

    Nope nothing disingenuous. Your opinion in this thread are simple and clear: Gays are abnormal Legalizing gay marriage will lead to <insert Ax’s list of unusual sexual behaviors here> No nuance, no attempt to acknowledge how gays might feel, not attempt to tie it to larger issues in our...
  9. Alaskan

    NY Times: US, In Shift, Sees Marriage Act as Violation of Gay Rights

    The problem is when someone tries to force their belief system on someone else even when their beliefs don't hurt you. The same logic that says "I don't believe in gay marriage, so gays shouldn't be allowed to marry" can also be used to say "I don't believe in eating meat so no one should be...
  10. Alaskan

    NY Times: US, In Shift, Sees Marriage Act as Violation of Gay Rights

    Oh I see, time to roll out the personal attacks. Sure sign that you are out of ammo. But you’ve been out of ammo since the beginning, repeating over and over your lame slippery slope argument that suddenly we are going to legalize sex with animals. Then you accuse me of being fixated on the...
  11. Alaskan

    NY Times: US, In Shift, Sees Marriage Act as Violation of Gay Rights

    Actually you didn't. Here is about as close as you get: "If this were about Civil Unions, which guarantee the same legal rights to same sex couples as marriage does, I would have no issue. What they are trying to do is change the definition of marriage altogether. I would even go so far as to...
  12. Alaskan

    NY Times: US, In Shift, Sees Marriage Act as Violation of Gay Rights

    From one of your previous posts: An attack against what you hold dear? Really? Someone you don't know getting married is an attack against what you hold dear? That's hatred no matter how you try to spin it. What makes you so damn special that you get to decide that someone else can't do...
  13. Alaskan

    NY Times: US, In Shift, Sees Marriage Act as Violation of Gay Rights

    So you accuse me of cherry picking and then when you get called on it, you say, oh I was just refering to the individual post. I see. (Note to self: when responding to Ax, make sure that you respond to every point in every post least he accuse you of cherry picking.) This should be easy as...
  14. Alaskan

    NY Times: US, In Shift, Sees Marriage Act as Violation of Gay Rights

    Mike, if you choose to play for the other team, can you please forgo posting the usual details?
  15. Alaskan

    NY Times: US, In Shift, Sees Marriage Act as Violation of Gay Rights

    You're the one that seems to be obsessed on the animal issue because you keep bring it up. And I didn't cherry pick anything as I also dealt with incest and polygamy. If you want to bring up any more odd sexual behaviors that you seem to be constantly thinking about, I would be glad to deal...
  16. Alaskan

    NY Times: US, In Shift, Sees Marriage Act as Violation of Gay Rights

    How can someone you don't know, whom you clearly hate getting married "erodes the fabric of my beliefs." Are your beliefs so fragile that they can be eroded that easily? I think we all know the answer to that. Bottom line is that you not only want the freedon to have your beliefs you also...
  17. Alaskan

    NY Times: US, In Shift, Sees Marriage Act as Violation of Gay Rights

    I suppose they could if there was a mass upraising in support for bestiality and they could get it through the legislature and signed by the executive branch. Wake me up if that happens and I will lead the good fight against it. But that could only happen via the legislative process since they...
  18. Alaskan

    NY Times: US, In Shift, Sees Marriage Act as Violation of Gay Rights

    How does it hurt society? Please explain. It seems to me that allowing gays to legally commit to a single person, to allow them a orderly way to distribute property in the event the relationship is ended, to ensure parental rights, i.e. all the automatic benefits those of us that commit to...
  19. Alaskan

    NY Times: US, In Shift, Sees Marriage Act as Violation of Gay Rights

    Yes that’s my standard. If you believe in limited government as I do and not just a selective belief when you happen to disagree with what the government is doing, then you must insist on the government showing a compelling reason for restricting anyone’s rights. I simply do not believe that...
  20. Alaskan

    CAIR Confronts Allen West

    I don’t know but I don’t know that hate crimes against Moslems skyrocketed from 8 to 11 between 2008 and 2009. Attacks against Jews on the other hand only increased 15% from 219 to 251. I ran the numbers in Excel and at this rate hate crimes against the Religion of Peace will exceed hate...
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