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The WFT remains lowest in Covid Vaccinations rates for its players

Kel Varnsen said:
The false positives are what bothers me. By this point, we shouldn’t have false positives. I get it’s not an exact science, but testing heathy people will cause that though. I’m not saying I know the answer, it just bugs me that healthy people are getting tested with a test that produces false positives.
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the rapid tests also can't tell the difference between the strains, either. That is what is getting me. All of these tests and they can be positive, they can be false positive, or we can just say its delta.

I am over it.
 
Om said:
Or, everyone in this country could get the overwhelmingly safe and effective vaccination that saves lives ... and, for those in the NFL, also reduces the risk of losing game checks. :)
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Overwhelmingly safe, huh?

I am not saying the vaccine is safe or it isn't, because I think it's fair to say, we simply do not know with 100% certainty...one way or the other.

However, I challenge you to make your claim of safety/efficacy of these vaccines to the widow of my very, very good friend who died just 24 hours after taking the 2nd moderna shot. We're talking about a healthy 51 year old man.

Can we prove it was the moderna shot? Nope, but he died of "natural causes" 24 hours after his 2nd shot, so there is that. I can say with 100% certainty this is cause enough to give pause to those who choose not to be vaccinated before entering into what could turn out to be a longterm effect of a vaccine that is still in the emergency declaration stage because the FDA standard for vaccines has still not been met.

Edit: Here is some CDC data on a recent outbreak that happened in Massachusetts. Of those infected, 74% had their vaccines. But yeah...overwhelmingly effective.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7031e2.htm?s_cid=mm7031e2_w
 
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How many players had covid but we're asymptomatic? How many had it but didn't get sick? Why are they not doing anti-body testing?

It's a power play, I wonder exactly how the NFL is going to deal with Florida, it is against the law for an employer to require proof of vaccination here. I know this as HR for my company f'ed up asking an employee and literally learned real quick attorney's will sue like crazy. I'd also wager the NFLPA has a war room of lawyers ready to go. The NFL has too much too lose and not much to gain other than public posturing for an audience that most likely doesn't watch football. "Yay the NFL is strong on vaccines." "So whose your favorite team." "Oh I don't watch but I saw the ESPN headline while I was looking to see when womens soccer was on."
 
Scherff the covid list.

Anyone else thinking they're going to do this to until we "comply"?
 
WFT just climbed over the 70 percent mark for players vaccinated. Moving in the right direction. Hopefully they get to 100 percent
 
Right direction?

Or pushed direction?
 
They can increase the % quickly by convincing those in the protocol to take it. 😉
 
Solitary Man said:
I am not seeing any wide open door. If anything, they will favor the teams with the higher vaccination rates.

Which means if we remain with the lowest level of vaccinated players, we run the absolute highest risk of being fined or having to forfeit games.
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The door 'wide open' that i'm talking about is specifically saying that games get forfeited if the outbreak is caused by an unvaccinated player or group. That leaves the entire practice to interpretation because no union lawyer or NFLPA rep is going to let the NFL take checks away without DIFINITIVE proof of the cause. The way they've left it allows them to appear to be taking a hard stance against to protect the players, yet have a finite rule in place that would impact any actual games. They likely will be able to allow games to continue, or get shifted similar to last year, with the justification that the spread wasn't caused by an unvaccinated player.
 
Hell, this guy could successfully argue that case.
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SilentThreat said:
The door 'wide open' that i'm talking about is specifically saying that games get forfeited if the outbreak is caused by an unvaccinated player or group. That leaves the entire practice to interpretation because no union lawyer or NFLPA rep is going to let the NFL take checks away without DIFINITIVE proof of the cause. The way they've left it allows them to appear to be taking a hard stance against to protect the players, yet have a finite rule in place that would impact any actual games. They likely will be able to allow games to continue, or get shifted similar to last year, with the justification that the spread wasn't caused by an unvaccinated player.
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The NFL has already said it will not reschedule games due to Covid outbreaks. No lawyer or NFLPA’s appeal would matter. The NFL had a year to think about this. They since have made this rule and will not back down. If the NFLPA would like to appeal player fines, they certainly can do that. They have more time to present their cases to argue those.

The way Delta is rampaging through the country now the NFL wants zero pushback. They have larger concerns. Possibly no fans at games again. Or even a cancelled season. They will not put up with outbreaks from teams. Once they issue a forfeit do you really think they will undo it? Seriously.
 
Well - while it may not be a popular sentiment on a football fan website, there are bigger priorities than whether or not there's pro football on TV to watch this year. So while worrying about the 'forfeit' rules and being concerned Washington may be putting itself at bigger risk to find themselves forfeiting games is what fans rightfully do, I think the NFL is legitimately concerned about player and fan safety, not just about liability. I'll keep saying it - it's easy to lob criticism and assign nefarious intent when we aren't the ones having to figure out how to handle all this :) I don't envy them that responsibility.
 
[It’s more clear than ever that unvaccinated players are at risk of getting cut

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

It's more clear than ever that unvaccinated players are at risk of getting cut

Even before the July 22 memo from the NFL that raised the possibility of forfeits due to outbreaks among unvaccinated players and staff, the risks of choosing not to be vaccinated for NFL players were clear.
profootballtalk.nbcsports.com profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

From the article.

So here’s what’s going to happen. Personnel decisions will be made based on vaccine status. Any close question involving two players at the same position will go to the player who is vaccinated. How can it not? Look at Zimmer’s quotes. All things relatively equal, he’ll take the guy who has made the commitment to being available to his team.
 
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Boone said:
Well - while it may not be a popular sentiment on a football fan website, there are bigger priorities than whether or not there's pro football on TV to watch this year. So while worrying about the 'forfeit' rules and being concerned Washington may be putting itself at bigger risk to find themselves forfeiting games is what fans rightfully do, I think the NFL is legitimately concerned about player and fan safety, not just about liability. I'll keep saying it - it's easy to lob criticism and assign nefarious intent when we aren't the ones having to figure out how to handle all this :) I don't envy them that responsibility.
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I find it curious that there seems to be little to no evidence of great concern at training camp that I can see. Team personnel, team media, and fans unmasked all over the place. Looks odd to me and hard to reconcile with the hard line being drawn.
 
So, we gonna blame the unvaccinated like they are the issue. But, damn....ol boy was vaccinated and still got it.

People need to stop pushing what they believe as gospel. None of us know what is causing this or how to prevent it. The vaccine works.. sometimes. Not being vaccinated works...sometimes.

Penalizing people for being skeptical and not wanting to inject themselves with an unapproved vaccine is complete BS. You have the right to say no if you want. Especially if you can still get it even if you do get the shot.
 

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I think we need to follow the science. The vaccine was 93%- 95% effective with the initial COVID strain. That’s what the data shows. It’s a virus and as with all viruses it is morphing.

I did some more reading this morning and it looks like the ‘delta’ variant has really taken off in some areas. The initial vaccine, predictably, is not as effective in preventing infection with this variant. It’s the same phenomenon we experience every year with the flu. Sometimes people get vaccinated and the vaccine is not very effective against that years strain. The flu vaccine each year is a ‘best guess’ as to what will best prevent that years strain. I hear people justify not getting the flu vaccine because ‘I took it last year and still got the flu’. While true on its face, it doesn’t mean refusing to take any future flu vaccines is the way to go.

If I wanted to be snarky, I’d say those flu vaccines are ‘experimental’ and ‘not approved by the FDA’ :) But the truth is, epidemiology is a science but it’s not magic.

Science and data is all we’ve got.

I’d love to hear the argument that NOT getting the COVID vaccine is safer than getting it. I have yet to hear that argument or seen any data to support it but I swear I am open to it.

That’s not suggesting anyone should be forced to get a vaccine they don’t want. But imho the data supports vaccination.
 
 
Which science?

They keep changing it so much and flat out lying that it isn't trustworthy.

I'm not in the medical field, but I know a lie when I see one. Fauci is a liar and has been exposed by Ron Paul several times already.

We aren't masking up and locking down the country every winter when flu season is coming around, but somehow we do now for covid. It has a less mortality rate than the flu does yet we're allowing these career politicians tell us different. The same ones that donate to the Wuhan lab and fund the Chinese.

It's as political as it is real. If they could weaponize the flu they would.
 
You know what masking up last year got us? Zero flu. I’m not suggesting that masking should be required but the point is, what the CDC has recommended to limit the spread of viruses has generally been validated.

The science and data is out there. It doesn’t require being a Fauci fan or skeptic. It is just data.

You know why 10x as many people don’t die from the flu than already do every year?

Vaccines.
 
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