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The WFT remains lowest in Covid Vaccinations rates for its players

Om said:
So if an unvaccinated player gets COVID and exposes and/or infects coaches and other players, and that ends up causing the team forfeit losses (not to mention endangers their health), does he need to be fired?
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can we say the same for a vaccinated player that gets COVID and spreads it? Does he need to get fired for forcing everyone to get it and they still end up catching it?
 
No, because in that scenario, he made a personal choice to get vaccinated, both for his own protection and the safety of his teammates. He did what he realistically could.

In the scenario I posed, he chose not to get vaccinated, despite overwhelming evidence supporting its effectiveness, putting both himself and his teammates at greater risk.

To me, that is a very clear distinction.
 
Can't the guy who chose not to get vaccinated say the same thing? He is doing it for his own protection since he isn't convinced it is good for him or that it even works.

Fauci and the CDC just came out yesterday to say that people who DID get the vaccine are spreading it!

www.businessinsider.com

CDC says fully vaccinated people spread the Delta variant and should wear masks: 'This new science is worrisome'

The Delta variant makes it easier for vaccinated people to transmit the virus, CDC director Rochelle Walensky said.
www.businessinsider.com www.businessinsider.com
 
Boone said:
Shaming has nothing to do with it. From a medical point of view, not getting vaccinated puts not just yourself but others at risk. It just does … and we know now it can put guys who DID get vaccinated at risk. So it’s no longer just about ‘personal choice’. Our choices impact others.

One man’s shaming is another’s expectation that we be responsible and follow established medical science on the best way to keep ourselves and others safe.
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I have a question about this. I’m not trying to argue, I want to understand because I keep hearing this and it doesn’t make sense. If a player who is vaccinated can get the virus, how does an unvaccinated person put them at more risk than a another Vaccinated person who may have the virus? The assumption people are making is that this only transmits through the unvaccinated, but if that is true than the vaccinated players have nothing to worry about. Except that’s not true since vaccinated players can get it and transmit it. We have seen that in baseball recently. So how does an unvaccinated person put a vaccinated person at risk any more than a vaccinated person?
 
Yes, vaccinated people can carry/spread the virus. But all the all the evidence suggests unvaccinated people are more likely to carry the virus than vaccinated people:

  • A growing body of evidence indicates that people fully vaccinated with an mRNA vaccine (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna) are less likely than unvaccinated persons to acquire SARS-CoV-2 or to transmit it to others. However, the risk for SARS-CoV-2 breakthrough infection in fully vaccinated people cannot be completely eliminated as long as there is continued community transmission of the virus.

Doesn't it make sense to try to limit the "continued community transmission" by lessening the likelihood of any particular individual of catching it?

When you add in the context of an NFL team, where it's not just about the individual, but also about the collective benefit of lowering the chances of losing games, and paychecks, not to mention getting sick, which sucks, to me it seems like a no-brainer for an individual to do what he/she realistically and reasonably can to be part of the solution.
 
Except when it doesn't. They are trying to push this mask mandate so hard that they are now saying that vaccinated people are spreading it as well as catching it and becoming "super spreaders"

They need to let people do what they want. Forcing those to get a shot they aren't comfortable with is not what this country was built on. This isn't "don't be sexist" this is telling people they need to take 2 different shots that may or may not make them sick/kill them as well as not prevent them from catching it anyways.
 
Boone said:
Shaming has nothing to do with it. From a medical point of view, not getting vaccinated puts not just yourself but others at risk. It just does … and we know now it can put guys who DID get vaccinated at risk. So it’s no longer just about ‘personal choice’. Our choices impact others.

One man’s shaming is another’s expectation that we be responsible and follow established medical science on the best way to keep ourselves and others safe.
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We’ll just agree to disagree on this. It is shaming/guilting in its purest form. It’s not the players or anyone else’s responsibility to get vaccinated to appease Ron’s weakened immune system imo. Ron’s choice to protect himself should not involve making everyone around him take a vaccine that so far cannot prevent reoccurring contraction. That is a medical fact getting lost in the shuffle.

If the NFL or any employer for that matter mandates the vaccine shot, it’s the employees prerogative to either take it or find other employment. That I think we can agree on. But, insisting on the ‘do it for the others’ mantra is being proven false every day with more and more reoccurrences of the vaccinated spreading and or catching it. As more and more vaccinated continue to re-catch the rona the science of just do it for the sake of _______ reads more narrative than fact.
 
The vast majority of COVID infections are occurring in unvaccinated individuals. I won’t say the % of vaccinated getting COVID is insignificant, but it’s close to that. If you are hearing otherwise you may want to take a look at the validity of your news/information sources. The vaccines are not perfect (no vaccines are) but have been incredibly successful in getting us to a point where at least some normalcy is possible. If the argument is, vaccines don’t guarantee you won’t get it so there shouldn’t be a push to get as many people vaccinated as possible - that’s illogical and the science doesn’t support that idea.

If we can do something that the data shows will make us and those around us safer, why would anyone choose not to? The question for me isn’t ‘why should I have to?’, it’s ‘Why wouldn’t you want to?.
 
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If the vaccines aren't perfect why force people to get them?

The real question is "if you have to bully and bribe people in to getting something that isn't even guaranteed to keep you from getting sick, why are you?"

Curtis Samuel and Matt Ioannidas have landed on the covid list.
 
Can those who have already been vaccinated get their 100 benjamins retroactively?

No?

How about a new iPhone?
 
get vaccinated and you won't get COVID...or you will

get the vaccine and you wont have to wear a mask again....until you do

get the shot because its safe...unless you get sick and possibly die

Is there really a wonder why people are skeptical about getting it?
 
MikefromOH said:
If the vaccines aren't perfect why force people to get them?

The real question is "if you have to bully and bribe people in to getting something that isn't even guaranteed to keep you from getting sick, why are you?"

Curtis Samuel and Matt Ioannidas have landed on the covid list.
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No one is being forced - that’a inaccurate. Will it eventually be required? I don’t know but it’s a choice now.

The WFT must suck at bullying - half the team is unvaccinated :)
 
Sorry to jump in this late....

but to kind of continue this. I stated in another thread that it's clear the NFL is leaving the door open. They're publicizing a hard stance, but the door is WIDE open if you read between the lines. They've stated that

"If a game is cancelled/postponed because a club cannot play due to a Covid spike among or resulting from its non-vaccinated players/staff, then the burden of the cancellation or delay will fall on the club experiencing the Covid infection,"
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www.nfl.com

NFL informs clubs that COVID-19 outbreaks among unvaccinated players could lead to forfeited games

As the NFL approaches the 2021 season, the league informed clubs that it would not extend the season to accommodate a COVID-19 outbreak among unvaccinated players that causes a game cancellation.
www.nfl.com www.nfl.com

in that sentence they say 'resulting from it's non-vaccinated players/staff.' How in the world will they be able to prove it started from a non-vaccinated player/staff member? The union and players associate will be so far up the NFL's butt if a game check is lost, it wont be funny. Later in that sentence, it says 'cancellation or DELAY.' Another wide open window to avoid a cancellation at all costs. A cancelled game results in lost ticket sales, concessions, merchandise...

Another thing (from the other thread) is the fact that networks will revolt. If NBC loses the SNF game (the only game they carry each week), how happy will they be? MNF? TNF? Those are ratings gold mines because they have no competition of NFL on another network.
 
I’m not buying Ron’s pearl clutching at all actually, the last couple of interviews he’s done there’s no mask on his face. If he’s that worried about his immune system why doesn’t he wear a mask all the time, especially around a bunch of heathen reporters? He had no problem being around the team last season either, at least on game day.

As for the main thread topic the NFL may or may not keep pushing the vaccination of teams and forfeit games, time will tell. However, if they do keep up the pushing and guilting then they’re opening up a shit storm and the well deserved backlash that comes with it. If that dumbass Goodell goes that far he may as well mandate fans to wear masks or risk being 86’d from the game. Like SkinsOrlando mentioned earlier it’s all about the revenue. Then again I wouldn’t trust putting Goodell in charge of a garage sale, zero confidence in that fool.
 
Boone said:
No one is being forced - that’a inaccurate. Will it eventually be required? I don’t know but it’s a choice now.

The WFT must suck at bullying - half the team is unvaccinated :)
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If the team forfeits a game because of covid you lose a check. They're making it all seem like the unvaccinated are the reason for this. They're pushing the numbers of teams who are NOT to try and shame them in to doing it.

They may not suck at bullying. Maybe we just have strong enough men that don't succumb to the nonsense coming from the mediots to do what they don't want to
 
MikefromOH said:
If the team forfeits a game because of covid you lose a check. They're making it all seem like the unvaccinated are the reason for this. They're pushing the numbers of teams who are NOT to try and shame them in to doing it.

They may not suck at bullying. Maybe we just have strong enough men that don't succumb to the nonsense coming from the mediots to do what they don't want to
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or cynically they're thumping their chest, full well knowing they're not going to follow through with it... but doing enough to say "We said... and we cannot prove unvaccinated player X was the 'cause' of this outbreak.... therefore business as usual
 
Perhaps the NFL should offer each of the players $100 of federal money to take the vaccine.

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I know not everyone on the team last year was here this year, but it seemed like the team had no cases last year, correct? I can’t remember any and if they did, it was probably a lower number than any other team. I wonder if that has an impact on the players choosing not to get the shot to this point.
 
Kel Varnsen said:
I know not everyone on the team last year was here this year, but it seemed like the team had no cases last year, correct? I can’t remember any and if they did, it was probably a lower number than any other team. I wonder if that has an impact on the players choosing not to get the shot to this point.
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Im probably wrong here but almost swear Ionadis had it last season too
 
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