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Redskins Announce Formal Review of Team Name

I'm in a strange situation up here in Cleveland....they came for the Redskins and now Indians. I seriously have only the Caps left to root for.

the PC world finally invaded my life and I am left wondering when it all stops.
 
How many Native Americans do you guys know? I actually do know a few and guess what? They don't use the term Native American. They call themsekves--drum roll please--Indians. I honestly think they are sitting back and chuckling. Watching a bunch of clueless white asshole s acting so morally righteous over something they haven't even been asked about.

My sister dated a guy who was an Indian for about 5 years. It may have been more, I’m not exactly sure how long it was, but it was long enough for him to be like part of the family. He would spend time at family gatherings and go on vacations with us, etc. He was also a big Redskins fan. We were tailgating before a game and we asked him if he was offended by the name. He said no. He said he was called much worse growing up playing hockey and lacrosse. He also said the Chiefs is more offensive to him because to be a chief is an honor. He did say what bothered him were people wearing Indian feathers on their head and other things that people did that were stereotypical.

But he loved the Redskins. I used to have a picture of he and Brandon Scherff and maybe Ryan Kerrigan. It was when they visited Walter Reed where he worked. He got a picture with them like any fan would. He got very mad when Phil Simms made a big deal that he wouldn’t say Redskins when calling a game. He said he was going to write a letter to CBS about it, but I don’t know if he ever did. I sat next to him during the playoff game in 2016 as he sang Hail to the Redskins after a TD. His parent went to a game and they loved it. They loved the mascot and the fight song. The game they went to, the team won and won big, so I’m sure that helped. But they were proud that the team had an Indian name and mascot.

This is why I’ve said time and time again that we want to hear from the Native American community. Let’s find out how they really feel. We know the history of the team, how the name came about, the logo, etc. But the “keepers of all things offensive” don’t want to hear from the community. They are afraid of what they would hear and afraid they might actually have to do something that would actually help that community with the real problems they have.
 
It's why the only chance is Snyder having a backbone of granite.

I kinda disagree with this. A backbone of granite won't help Snyder or the team in these times. In fact, Snyder and the team can't do anything themselves right now. The only way to save the name is for a vocal majority of Native Americans to oppose the change and stand up to the "noisy annoying few" within their own communities. They themselves will have to educate the Florios of the world and call out the virtue-signaling white crowd over their ignorance. Even then, I'm not sure there is any way to keep the name. There is too much water under the bridge.
 
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So if his name ‘Chick’ offends me will he change it?

This pill may be a little easier to swallow if the actual majority of American Indians voiced for a change, but its NOT the case. This is nothing but placating to a mob of SJW honkeys.
The only way the guilty party would allow the media to air the opinions of Indians, is if they were crying out the chosen position of the mob.
 
how can Nike legally say "I will take the money of the NFL, be the sole provider of equipment, but now that I oppose this I will not work with one of the teams under the contract I signed"? Seems illegal to me, honestly.

Definitely hypocritical considering the children they use in their shops to assemble anything Nike.
 
The NFL is in retreat across the board. Don’t expect Goddell or the owners to do anything other than remain silent and supplicate in front of any social initiatives, no matter how dubious or off key.

I already lost all respect for NBA owners and players over their silence in regards to social justice in China - ironic that the same people are walking tall now here.

These folks are for justice as long as it doesn’t hit them in the wallet.
 
How many Native Americans do you guys know? I actually do know a few and guess what? They don't use the term Native American. They call themsekves--drum roll please--Indians. I honestly think they are sitting back and chuckling. Watching a bunch of clueless white asshole s acting so morally righteous over something they haven't even been asked about.
Like a great many things, this varies from location to location, person to person. Indian is commonly used, Native is commonly used, First nation/peoples is commonly used...just varies.

Just as in other minority groups, trying to pin the tail on the donkey just leaves some poor sucker stabbed repeatedly. Pick one and go with it, you'll offend some, while saying the right thing to others.
 
How many Native Americans do you guys know? I actually do know a few and guess what? They don't use the term Native American. They call themsekves--drum roll please--Indians. I honestly think they are sitting back and chuckling. Watching a bunch of clueless white asshole s acting so morally righteous over something they haven't even been asked about.
Interesting. My mom's side is Mattaponi and Chesepian. Not one calls themselves Indian. They either say they're natives, or they say they're Mattaponi/Chesepian. I've been to the reservations and it's the same there. The ones I know actually get offended when called Indians, and they are quick to say they aren't from India.
 
So if his name ‘Chick’ offends me will he change it?

This pill may be a little easier to swallow if the actual majority of American Indians voiced for a change, but its NOT the case. This is nothing but placating to a mob of SJW honkeys.

I find the term ‘honky’ offensive.

I prefer ‘cracker’.
 
Interesting. My mom's side is Mattaponi and Chesepian. Not one calls themselves Indian. They either say they're natives, or they say they're Mattaponi/Chesepian. I've been to the reservations and it's the same there. The ones I know actually get offended when called Indians, and they are quick to say they aren't from India.
I can only speak from personal experience. BTW, I does anyone remember that super radical group from the 60's and 70's that occupied Wounded.Knee, took over part of the Interior Dept in DC and killed a couple of FBI agents. They called themselves the American Indian Movement(AIM).
 
I'm in a strange situation up here in Cleveland....they came for the Redskins and now Indians. I seriously have only the Caps left to root for.

the PC world finally invaded my life and I am left wondering when it all stops.

I’ve been a Caps fan almost as long as a ‘Skins fan and Holtby‘s constant bellyaching makes me really not care about the upcoming NHL “playoffs.”

Much the same way I can now cease watching Nats and wonder whether Doolittle will blow another save or enlighten us all with his progressive left nonsense. How he even became a fan favorite as lousy a closer as he is befuddles me. His whole “sports are a reward for a functioning society” crap. Sorry, Doo Doo, I didn't realize it was such a privilege to watch you blow saves.

I always felt sports were an escape. Instead, the contemporary athletes are making it more a chore to watch.
 
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Interesting. My mom's side is Mattaponi and Chesepian. Not one calls themselves Indian. They either say they're natives, or they say they're Mattaponi/Chesepian. I've been to the reservations and it's the same there. The ones I know actually get offended when called Indians, and they are quick to say they aren't from India.

My family from Lebanon is the same. When people call them “Arab,” they actually take offense. Not just because they’re not Arab, but they find it actually offensive LOL! They’ll kindly correct you and say “We’re not Arab, we’re Lebanese,” though.
 
I find "taxpayer" offensive and am looking for ways to end this terminology and everything it implies.

I can't believe the widgets tore down a statue of Frederick Douglas yesterday. This is all out of control with very, very malevolent objectives behind it all.

Hope folks noticed that Gary Clark responded publicly yesterday that he found the team name a source of pride and respect.

Anywho, too bad my run of 58 years with the NFL is coming to an end. Snyder's inability to build much does make it a bit easier to walk away. NFL is gonna now have to live by the sword.
 
I have spent time each of the last few days reading articles about how the Skins current moniker is a racist slur. I have studied the methodology of several polls and studies that have been run, all using self-identifying Natives, and a very good article explaining why that is a problem. I've read opinion pieces from white and black journalists and even a couple of pieces from a legit Native journalist (he is a registered member of a tribe as opposed to a self-identifying Native). I have listened to long time Washington sports journalists talk about it on TV and on the internet. Everyone agrees that the name is a racist slur.

What I have yet to read or hear anyone explain is why it is a racist slur. No one has offered this information. At least in my extensive but admittedly not exhaustive research.

Perhaps I am peculiar but I like to understand things before making big decisions. And when I say that I mean deeply understand them down to their core. In the past few weeks, I have put in a lot of time learning a lot of history that isn't commonly taught in schools or colleges (full disclosure, I have a BA in History). I have spent time researching to confirm that the new facts I am reading are, indeed, facts, and not something made up or spun to support an opinion. I've listened to the first explanation of why it's okay for blacks to use the N-word but not okay for whites to use it. I've studied the Tulsa Massacre and learned about red-lining. And that is just a shortlist of the many things that I have come to light in my reading and research.

Now to the name of our beloved club...

I've learned how the name came from the first head coach - a Native himself. How the iconography was designed by Natives and how it closely mirrors the iconography on the Indian Head Nickle. I think we have all had a refresher course in the deeply ingrained racism of George Preston Marshall.

I'm willing to talk about a name change (yeah, I know, I won't be invited to the discussion and no one gives a damn about my opinion anyway) but I want to understand why first. I want to understand it at the same level I now understand the plight of the black man in this country. I want it to be more than popular opinion and a whole lot more than "because it is" - said in such a fashion so as to attempt to make me feel stupid for not seeing something so obvious. In short, when I give up something cherished that has been part of my life for as long as I can remember, I want to know I'm doing it to make a part of our great nation legitimately better.

I don't have that today, but I will keep looking.
 

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