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Redskins Announce Formal Review of Team Name

Were I Dan I'd do my business case analysis and seriously consider selling. The value of the franchsise is not going to increase over time - it's going to go South along with the rest of the NFL.
 
Before this devolves into something that any of us may regret, let's focus on the news of the day and talk about it with some respect and dignity. While this does involve politics, we need to keep in mind that some members of BGO may see things a bit differently. It's an emotional day for sure, but let's keep our emotions in check - at least as well as we can possibly do under the circumstances.
 
Beetlejuice said:
Snyder's gonna cave, because he's spineless. He thinks his wallet is gonna hurt over the sponsorship deals being pulled, but hasn't even considered how much a name change will hurt his wallet.
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How much a name change will hurt his wallet? It can't get any worse. The stadium is already empty and many have already given up. It would be great if we could get him to sell now too and really start fresh.
 
fansince62 said:
Kal...not attacking you...but where exactly does this notion that if a group is offended they can obliterate language come from?
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If the name Redskins is truly offensive to them and causes great pain to Native Americans, then I think we should be considerate of that. But I don't know if we will ever get to that point because other than a few that confirm someone's bias, Native Americans aren't allowed to speak. People are speaking for them despite evidence to the contrary that they don't find it offensive. That's my point. Let's hear from them, and not just a select few. I want to know if this name causes pain and why it does. We may actually learn something and it may not be what we want to hear or it may not be what the know-it-all outragers want to hear. And the latter is why I think they won't let them speak.
 
Kel Varnsen said:
If the name Redskins is truly offensive to them and causes great pain to Native Americans, then I think we should be considerate of that. But I don't know if we will ever get to that point because other than a few that confirm someone's bias, Native Americans aren't allowed to speak. People are speaking for them despite evidence to the contrary that they don't find it offensive. That's my point. Let's hear from them, and not just a select few. I want to know if this name causes pain and why it does. We may actually learn something and it may not be what we want to hear or it may not be what the know-it-all outragers want to hear. And the latter is why I think they won't let them speak.
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I get your point. Again, not attacking you personnaly. I find the idea objectionable. It has no foundation. It ends up with idiotic contradictions like the N-word where it is offensive, but exceptions are made for one group of people in their music, literature, movies, etc. It's an inherently relative, transitory concept. In the future, will it be ok, for example, if I author a play cataloguing all the racist offenses (real and imagined) of America to use Redskins in the play? Point being that this ventures into very dangerous territory - intent. One can only use approved language based on intent? See where this leads? And don't kid yourself, that's a prime mover behind all of this.
 
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BB...what's been disrespectful or lacking dignity? Changing a team team is silly, immaterial stuff. The motivations and power plays behind it are very serious and have long-run consequences that far exceed the trivial matter of a team name.

I won't venture into the unbidden territory of whether the subject deserves respect and dignity. It's detached from reality - a pure power play, virtue signalling, and a minisicule piece of the real agenda.

Done with this theme. I do agree. It's undignified to even take this seriously. It's quibbling over language based on deconstructionism precepts. One should understand what that is all about before enterring the voting booth.
 
Have a great Fourth of July while we still can celebrate the holiday everyone. This subject is a touchy one, I'll give you that BB. I best exit this one stage left.
 
<Sigh>

My message was directed at everyone, including me. That's all.
 
fansince62 said:
I get your point. Again, not attacking you personnaly. I find the idea objectionable. It has no foundation. It ends up with idiotic contradictions like the N-word where it is offensive, but exceptions are made for one group of people in their music, literature, movies, etc. It's an inherently relative, transitory concept. In the future, will it be ok, for example, if I author a play cataloguing all the racist offenses (real and imagined) of America to use Redskins in the play? Point being that this ventures into very dangerous territory - intent. One can only use approved language based on intent? See where this leads? And don't kid yourself, that's a prime mover behind all of this.
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I can't speak to any other situation, even though I find a lot of what is going on to be nonsense. What I am speaking about is the Redskins team name. A name that by all accounts has not been offensive. As I stated in another thread, there is no other context to the Redskins other than a football team. There is no other use of that word in our society. That is what I'm speaking to. If I am wrong and it is offensive and has another context that people actually use to hurt Native Americans, I want to know that and I want to know why. It would cause me to think about if changing the name is the way to go. But as of now, this movement to change the name is contrary to everything else I've ever seen or heard outside of the outrage mob.
 
I’m impressed how quickly fans on social media pivoted from ‘hell no, don’t change the name’ to ‘hey, here is my idea for the new name‘.
 
Neophyte said:
What I would like to see:

In light of what is happening around the nation, I would like to see an open, honest and public dialog about the name with as much of the Native American population as is feasible. I really don't think anyone else needs be involved either, other than to watch and learn. Once the conversation has been had and all opinions heard, a decision can be made. Put simply, give Native Americans the last word and be done with it. If they are good with the name, everyone else should be too. If they are not good with the name, then the team and the fans should be good with a change. I don't see this as the business of the NFL, other teams, sponsors or media.

I know polls have been done and the number favor the Skins keeping the name. In at least one case, overwhelmingly so. I also know the sources of those polls has an agenda and was stunned when the data didn't support their position. I feel like that should tell us something but I would also like to see an independent body run a larger poll, perhaps even a formal referendum, among Native Americans that will put paid to this issue one way or the other for the balance of my lifetime.
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I think that might be a little simplistic Bob. Which Native Americans, and how many of them have to be offended before the team is forced to change the name? Isn't that how they've approached it to date (perhaps not as comprehensively as you're describing, but that is what they've done to an extent). There's no way a) that will suffice in the eyes of critics and sponsors, and b) there's no way said critics/sponsors will desist until the name is changed.

Ordinarily, I'd see Snyder's move here as his way of appearing to do his due diligence, all the while having no intention of changing the name. This appears to be far more than that and I think they will cave to the pressure this time.

There is good news though. We don't have any Redskins statues up anywhere, so those won't be pulled down or defaced.
 
McD5 said:
How much a name change will hurt his wallet? It can't get any worse. The stadium is already empty and many have already given up. It would be great if we could get him to sell now too and really start fresh.
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The stadium has been half empty because the on-the-field product was horrible and we fired an inept coach mid-season. People are tired of rooting for a crap team. Obviously the talent level is improving and we have a promising young team now with a 2nd year 1st round QB and a whole new coaching staff. I know the theory is that all the fans will walk away over this if it goes down. I think ultimately a small % will walk away, but not nearly the numbers who have said they'll be done. It is still the same team and organization with all of it's history, good and bad. Realistically a name change can't wipe all that out. Snyder is not selling though - that's a pipe dream brother.

My only hope at this point? Please don't change the name to something stupid (and most of the suggestions I've seen are stupid).
 
I wrote this article yesterday afternoon and posted it last night. It was elevated early this morning. I'm not one to get emotional, but this was difficult. Read it and pass it along. It comes from the heart.

 
Anyone else miss those naive and simple times when consideration of turning in one’s ‘fan card’ was only fueled by the teams consistently pathetic on-field performance?
 
Boone said:
The stadium has been half empty because the on-the-field product was horrible and we fired an inept coach mid-season. People are tired of rooting for a crap team. Obviously the talent level is improving and we have a promising young team now with a 2nd year 1st round QB and a whole new coaching staff. I know the theory is that all the fans will walk away over this if it goes down. I think ultimately a small % will walk away, but not nearly the numbers who have said they'll be done. It is still the same team and organization with all of it's history, good and bad. Realistically a name change can't wipe all that out. Snyder is not selling though - that's a pipe dream brother.

My only hope at this point? Please don't change the name to something stupid (and most of the suggestions I've seen are stupid).
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There are some talking about changing the colors too. So if they change the name and the colors, they will effectively wipe the team from existence and in that instance, there will be no way that it's the same team,history etc.
Still, I have trouble with changing the name. Mainly because it's mostly SJW groups,who have no interest in being fair to both sides of the issue, pushing this.
I also have a problem with the "it'll still be the sane team " crowd.

John Riggins broke no tackles as a Redtail,Warrior etc.
Joe Gibbs didn't coach any team by that name.
Art Monk is in the Hall as a Redskin ..etc.

Just have a problem in general that possibly Dan bends a knee to the Rage Mob.

I know we all differ in opinion.....that's just mine.
 
We, as a culture, need to put our collective foots down and start telling people to go f@ck themselves with this stupid woke shit. Mr Cooke used to have a whole big book, letters from tribal chiefs and such, telling him that they wer'en't offended by the name, that they were in fact honored to be represented. I think John Kent Cooke has it these days. Oh, and Nike dialing in on the subject? That's rich. How much do you pay those CHICOM kids a day again to make those Air Jordans? Yeah, go f@ck your hypocritical selves.
 
The same Nike who employs slave labor in Vietnam to make their gear.
 
Okay. First, this is total b.s. 99.9% of native Americans have no issue with either the nickname or it's likeness. Second, will I have to change my username? Hey, I don't care what is said, so long as it's all about me lol.
 
Cancelled my Sunday Ticket yesterday, haven't missed a Redskins game in 19 years.......but there's not going to be anymore Redskins games so why bother. Lady did inquire why I was cancelling, normal questions, money, cost etc, simply told her I'm a Redskins fan, she told me that was the tenth time today she'd heard that reason.
 
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