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    RG3, the Colts have had one bad year but had great qb play for ever decade, we havent had great qb play in almost 20 years. Luck will have some slack, Rg 3 wont

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    Way I see it, RG3 has the better deal. He's coming in on the heels of a 20-year run of inept QB play in this town. All he has to do is show flashes---ANYTHING positive that he does, compared to what's come before, will be seen as a godsend and buy him time. I figure he's got a 2-3 year honeymoon.

    Luck, on the other hand, is replacing arguably the best QB of his generation, if not all time. A living legend who happens to have been released in order to make room for this rookie with all the hype. Oh, and a living legend who also happens to still be active, and against whom Luck's every move for the next few years will be compared/measured every single week.

    I don't think it's even close.
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    Om, while I agree with you mostly, don't you think a much larger market with a blood thirsty media will play a part in determining the pressure level placed on Griff as opposed to Indy's media and Luck?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rymanofthenorth View Post
    RG3, the Colts have had one bad year but had great qb play for ever decade, we havent had great qb play in almost 20 years. Luck will have some slack, Rg 3 wont
    Aren't you backwards? The Colts have had over a decade of fantastic QB play, so the fans expect that. Luck has a lot of work to do to live up to expectations; his predecessor is a first-ballot Hall of Famer!

    RG3 can come in here and simply not turn the ball over 2 times a game and he'll be doing better than his predecessor.

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    You would think so lanky, but I think the expectations wont be for average play (which would be an improvement) and if he doesnt play well right out of the gate, and at least give us hope, he wont get much slack. he has little margin for erroe, he has to play decently at worst or he will get pilloried.

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    he'll have a broad window. the only thing that will undercut his stature with the fans, IMO, will be the "stupid" factor (expressing Lanky's idea a different way). we have had 20 years of seeing stupid - we all know it instinctively by now. which means we also know when smart is on the field. I think he'll do just fine. we'll all have to wait and see whether he maintains composure under NFL speed and physical violence - we know what the defensive template is for dealing with rookie QBs afterall. as long as I see composure, good decisions, improving execution - and little to no "stupid".....I'll be focused on improving the talent around RG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fansince62 View Post
    he'll have a broad window. the only thing that will undercut his stature with the fans, IMO, will be the "stupid" factor (expressing Lanky's idea a different way). we have had 20 years of seeing stupid - we all know it instinctively by now.....
    I'd personally be a wee bit more kind to QBs of recent years and use the word "panic" instead of "stupid", but I think we're essentially talking about the same thing.
    I really think all our recent ex QBs (especially Campbell) would do a lot better under the tutelage of a decent shrink
    Anyone check out Burgundy Burner's link on Cousins?
    Interesting stuff about decision making in there.

    I think RG3 and Cousins are both smart enough to do us some good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by finch View Post
    I'd personally be a wee bit more kind to QBs of recent years and use the word "panic" instead of "stupid", but I think we're essentially talking about the same thing.
    I really think all our recent ex QBs (especially Campbell) would do a lot better under the tutelage of a decent shrink
    Anyone check out Burgundy Burner's link on Cousins?
    Interesting stuff about decision making in there.

    I think RG3 and Cousins are both smart enough to do us some good.
    stated for effect...but we're on the same page. we know what competence in a QB is all about hvaing seen various weaknesses/lapses. as long as the signals are there...I think the fan base will focus its attention elsewhere.

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    I read BB's article on Cousins - and I'll be honest, sounded to me like he was having problems managing the demands/stress of being a big-time college QB. Not judging - what normal human being wouldn't feel the pressures of that role? But I think it points to a possible weakness, not a strength, that he's been involved in a program to help him deal with it. Watching mini-camp film of RG3 and Cousins side-by-side, I don't think the difference could be any starker. Even in drills, Griffin looks natural and relaxed, Cousins looks awkward and, well, like a rookie. Not saying Cousins isn't a smart, talented guy. He may be an NFL starter someday, who knows. But there's a reason he wasn't selected in the first round.
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    which is exactly why all the hysteria about Cousins coming and taking over the Redskins and leaving a big controversy over what to do with Griffin then was simply a media driven exercise to create an issue to sell time

    let's face it. The Redskins draft and free agent signings versus what has happened in years past is NORMAL and a bit BORING except for Griffin.

    So, people had to look for a controversy surrounding Griffin and because he didn't have any pesonal skeletons that were found, the media had to look to the Cousins pick.

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    Was watching Griffin's post-camp press conference, and he mentioned exactly what I said earlier in the thread; Omar Bolden was the guy they were targeting with that pick, and he went one slot before the Redskins picked. THAT'S the real reason why Cousins is in the burgundy & gold.

    EDIT: link to the presser - http://www.redskins.com/media-galler...4-199e8ffe9f0a

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulldog's Twin View Post
    which is exactly why all the hysteria about Cousins coming and taking over the Redskins and leaving a big controversy over what to do with Griffin then was simply a media driven exercise to create an issue to sell time
    Bulldog, if the John Beck Experience has shown us anything it's that the Other Guy doesn't have to be any good for there to be a controversy.

    Anyway, some of you seem to be suggesting that since Cousins isn't apparently NFL-ready, that somehow vindicates spending a pick on him. I'm not so sure that makes me feel better about the pick.

    let's face it. The Redskins draft and free agent signings versus what has happened in years past is NORMAL and a bit BORING except for Griffin.

    So, people had to look for a controversy surrounding Griffin and because he didn't have any pesonal skeletons that were found, the media had to look to the Cousins pick.
    Again, I just think it was a dumb pick. Didn't need A Vast Media Conspiracy to convince me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry View Post
    Bulldog, if the John Beck Experience has shown us anything it's that the Other Guy doesn't have to be any good for there to be a controversy.
    I think that is more true when the first guy isn't any good. That is not going to happen this time around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GSF View Post
    I think that is more true when the first guy isn't any good.
    Or when the guy is actually good, but many fans are too impatient to wait it out.

    Let's keep in mind Hall of Famer Troy Aikman began 0-11 as a starter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fear The Spear View Post

    Let's keep in mind Hall of Famer Troy Aikman began 0-11 as a starter.
    And Dallas drafted two 1st round QB's that year. There were gaping holes in that 1-15 Dallas squad, but they spent two 1st round picks on QB's that year.


    And Lanky, had Omar Bolden been chosen, you would have lost the Draft contest!
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    E the Cowboys took Walsh with a supplementary draft pick that year, slightly different than straight up drafting him along with Aikman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CounterTrey View Post
    E the Cowboys took Walsh with a supplementary draft pick that year, slightly different than straight up drafting him along with Aikman.
    I know CT, but they were both drafted in the same year and it cost them a first round pick for both players.

    How does that change the fact that Dallas had many, many holes and "wasted" a 1st round pick, albeit the following year?

    Let me say, I think that was a wise decision for Dallas and I think the Cousins pick was a good one. I was just using that as an example since someone brought Aikman into the discussion as a situation where fans were up in arms about the record their future HoF QB had his 1st season and the likelihood our "future HoF" QB will be successful his first season. I think there are similarities.

    Edit: There will be some fans who will get upset if Griff loses 11 or more games this season. But I think the majority of fans will realize he is our future and they will give him the benefit of the doubt, at least I hope so.
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    Comparing the Grossman/Beck situation in 2011 to Griffin/Cousins in 2012 is like comparing a zebra with an elephant.

    Whether a player the Redskins might have had their eye on went a pick or two before Cousins doesn't mean the Redskins didn't do the right thing in looking for value rather than merely selecting a OL or CB based on need.

    It's about time that the Redskins start to make moves with the future in mind, not only the present.

    The team lived in the here and now ONLY over the past 10 years and the results were less than satisfactory.

    If Cousins was really rated a #2 pick on the Redskins board and they can bring him along to be a strong backup to Griffin over the next 2 years, we not only get the benefit of his play on the field in case Griffin gets injured but the opportunity to trade him as the Eagles have done with backups in the past for future value.

    You only have to bring up the case fo AJ Feeley, who netted the Eagles a #2 pick from the Dolphins after starting 6 games!

    Kevin Kolb yielded a #2 pick and Rodgers-Cromartie, a pro bowl corner. How many games did he start?

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    Oh I don't disagree with your point at all E I was just being anal and clarifying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulldog's Twin View Post
    Comparing the Grossman/Beck situation in 2011 to Griffin/Cousins in 2012 is like comparing a zebra with an elephant.
    Fine. You prefer Colt Brennan? Tim Hasselbeck? Todd Husak? Babe Laufenberg?

    If the starter struggles, the guy who never takes a snap gets the love, even if he sucks. If you want to think this time it's different because you like our starter who, by the way, has never taken a snap, more power to you.

    Whether a player the Redskins might have had their eye on went a pick or two before Cousins doesn't mean the Redskins didn't do the right thing in looking for value rather than merely selecting a OL or CB based on need.

    It's about time that the Redskins start to make moves with the future in mind, not only the present.

    The team lived in the here and now ONLY over the past 10 years and the results were less than satisfactory.

    If Cousins was really rated a #2 pick on the Redskins board and they can bring him along to be a strong backup to Griffin over the next 2 years, we not only get the benefit of his play on the field in case Griffin gets injured but the opportunity to trade him as the Eagles have done with backups in the past for future value.
    I don't generally have a problem with going BPA. However, I seriously doubt the Redskins went purely BPA in this draft, seeing as how they picked three offensive linemen, an ILB and a couple corners. Sorry, but of all the times to go BPA, going that high up at that position is a head-scratcher.

    You only have to bring up the case fo AJ Feeley, who netted the Eagles a #2 pick from the Dolphins after starting 6 games!

    Kevin Kolb yielded a #2 pick and Rodgers-Cromartie, a pro bowl corner. How many games did he start?
    Those guys are great reasons to draft a young prospect when you already have an established veteran starter on your team. Seeing as how McNabb was already a pro-bowler by the time either of them were drafted, comparing them to a pick like Cousins is a little like comparing a zebra with an elephant.

 

 
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