How Do You See The USA 50 Years From Now?

[Goaldeje]

Originally Posted by fansince62

to H with plastic bags....this country is going under if we don't elect a serious President who isn't totally driven by ideology and a Congress that can't put aside vested interests to at least stay impending financial collapse.

Soooo, we're pretty much screwed?

[fansince62]

we're getting to closer to it every minute actually. the media isn't educating the public to how bad our fiscal posture really is.

[Lanky Livingston]

Greece's economy peaked in 450 B.C., and has been steadily declining since then. I think we've got a couple more years.

[fansince62]

not if you actually look at the numbers...

[Lanky Livingston]

Originally Posted by fansince62

not if you actually look at the numbers...

There are three statements in my post, all involving numbers. You're going to have to be a bit more specific.

[fansince62]

Originally Posted by Lanky Livingston

There are three statements in my post, all involving numbers. You're going to have to be a bit more specific.

I get the part where you were making a light quip. and I responded with my own pov that this is no joking matter - we are near the precipice with a President who is ideologically unable to adjust and a Congress that can't see past its nose.

[RG3 Fan]

Originally Posted by fansince62

btw t...you do know one of the agendas for Obamacare is to eliminate insurance companies altogether? among other things, concentrated insurance company power can be leveraged against not only healthcare providers - but healthcare consumers. the long-run objective for Obamacare has always been government managed healthcare - tools (like IPAM) are being laid in place to enable the transition.

So President Obama would resort to deviant opps I mean devious behavior. Come on now, not our President who promised hope and transparency.

[redskins26]

Doctors should set the price they are willing to see someone for
If a doctor says he will see you for 40 dollars would you pay your insurance company a 45 dollar copayment for the visit?
If you want medical bills to get cheaper get insurance and businesses out of the hospitals

[fansince62]

Originally Posted by redskins26

Doctors should set the price they are willing to see someone for
If a doctor says he will see you for 40 dollars would you pay your insurance company a 45 dollar copayment for the visit?
If you want medical bills to get cheaper get insurance and businesses out of the hospitals

aint gonna happen...aside from a single payer system - the government is already seizing control of the system

- they are slowly widening the scope on price setting at the top

- while increasing mandatory requirements at the bottom

- and setting up the boards that will ultimately ration healthcare

it will fail. not only will it not deliver the promised coverage to one and all...it will lead to a decline in the overall quality of health services. we will receive what they have in England and Canada: long waits for medical services delivered by a shrinking workforce. don't forget how many of these people admire the Cuban framework for delivering healthcare.

and they still have the fundamental problem: how's it all going to be paid for? once they shrink Defense to a European equivalent.....where else will the money come from (aside from more borrowing more, more money printing and tax increases such as those in ACA)?

it never ceases to amaze me how dense people can be. a couple years ago I was discussing ACA with my family doctor and noted my antipathy toward the tax increases that would inevitably be needed to support it (and the implied huge income transfers). the doctor's response fell along the lines of "so what...you get it back in healthcare services." completely missing the point that I no longer have any choice in the matter: I work. I earn an income. The government seizes that income and spends it as it deems appropriate. that is what lies behind this - and many are entirely comfortable with this loss of freedom and...in truth...personal responsibility. that they have been lying about it - as Justice Roberts basically highlighted - will likely pass over the heads of most.