Vick a Redskin?

[Huly]

I need advice from my B&G family. I received 18 text messages last night about rumors that Vick might become a Redskin. Well we all know how the rumor mill is around here but I am confused on how to approach this situation. As most of you know I am an animal rights activist. I work with the Humane Society and I am the Director of Adoptions for a Basset Hound Rescue based out of VA Beach. I am also an ex Vet Tech who has seen the consequences of dog fighting. The rescue I work with helped house some of the Beagles Vick used as bait dogs. Y’all also know I love my B&G and I am a true Redskin fan.

The thought of Vick being a Redskin turns my stomach. The pig headed side of me refuses to have anything to do with the team including going to games if they sign Vick. After some intense thought this morning I did have to realize that if his heart is pure and he realizes what he did was wrong and he is willing to help others not make the same mistakes he did that I need to give him a second chance and forgive him. I am battling my love for the Redskins and my beliefs with animal cruelty. I am confused and I need my B&G family’s thoughts on this situation and I am also asking my animal rescue group members their thoughts on this situation. Most of our members are Redskin fans and football fans so I assume they will be as confused as I am. :cry:

[beamish]

huly - i understand where you and others are coming from, but i've grown tired of trying to reconcile my personal values with my rooting interests in professional sports. i can only hope vick is rehabilitated. even if no one is interested in him now, you know someone will call when their QB is injured or slumping.

[brandies]

He will be with a team soon. (wildcat offense) I am a dog lover. I can say out of my top ten best friends in my life, 5 have been dogs. That being said I have a hard time resolving my pro dog bias with what happens in slaughter houses to some of my other favorite beasts pigs and cows. I believe after one pays their dues, they should be given a chance. I am just not sure how he fits here. Zorn, I believe, does not want to use the wildcat. If he does don't we have someone else who can run it?

[Huly]

huly - i understand where you and others are coming from, but i've grown tired of trying to reconcile my personal values with my rooting interests in professional sports. i can only hope vick is rehabilitated. even if no one is interested in him now, you know someone will call when their QB is injured or slumping.

I do not know how to seperate my values. I have been an animal rights person since I was 5 years old and I started working/ volunteering at Vet clinics etc by age 13. I have only been a redskin fan the last 11 years. Honestly one of the reason I liked the Redskins so much and chose them as my NFL team is I liked what they stood for and they they did not hire every convict off the street. Yeah we have a had a few players who have had minor issues but we have not hired your Ray Lewis etc.

[beamish]

so vick's return to the nfl is okay with you, just not with the redskins?

[Huly]

so vick's return to the nfl is okay with you, just not with the redskins?

Honestly any team he would go to I would have a major issue and would send off a nasty gram, boycott etc.

On a funny side I was hoping if he went anywhere it would be Dallas as it would give me more reason to despise them.

I am just having major issues now as I love the Redskins and I do not know how I can support a team with him on it.

[Ax]

My advice would be, if you trust your instincts, then, trust your instincts. Most of the time, I do what my gut tells me. And, I would of course argue, that I've been right most of the time.

If you don't trust your gut, then listen to your head, not your heart.

Now, that aside, I don't think you'll need to worry. I'll be shocked if we go after him, and I'm rarely shocked by anything.

He sucks as a QB, and the distractions that are sure to follow him, and rightfully so, make it a stupid move for every team in the league.

He has a right to be eligible, since he served his time. But all the teams have the right to not sign him, as well. I hope nobody signs him. And, if someone does, I hope PETA, and every other person who want to protest, does. I hope they make it so intolerable, that the team will be forced to release him. I hope he's booed unmercifully everywhere he goes. I hope whoever signs him pays for it, both in revenue loss, as well as ridicule and scorn. And, if that team be the Redskins, so be it.

I'll find a way to live it, when I have to.

[Mark The Homer]

This is a tough one.

Many say Vick has paid his debt to society, so let him play.

But as Huly alludes to, there may be more to it than that. There's something about this guy that isn't right. And I am not sure it's a maturity thing. For example, there's no point in my life that I could have done the things Vick has done, mature or otherwise.

My thought is, don't worry about it yet. The chances of us signing him aren't great. :)

[Sarge]

I'd have serious issues with this team if they signed him. While I'm no tree huging animal rights type by any means, he went far beyond the pale. That, and I just get a bad vibe off the thug. Yeah, he may have paid his debt, but he can remake his millions elsewhere.

Hopefully the danny passes, unless he comes out with snyder brand dog food and wants to get vick to pitch it

[Huly]

This is a tough one.

Many say Vick has paid his debt to society, so let him play.

But as Huly alludes to, there may be more to it than that. There's something about this guy that isn't right. And I am not sure it's a maturity thing. For example, there's no point in my life that I could have done the things Vick has done, mature or otherwise.

My thought is, don't worry about it yet. The chances of us signing him aren't great. :)

My other major concern is kids look up to these guys and how could any child have him as a hero.

My brain is going into overdrive mode. :help:

Ax I agree with you. I disagree with PETA as I see them as extremist (sp) but there will be a lot of negative press and backlash from animal lovers across the world.

[HapHaszard]

Huly, lets just hope Vick doesn't become a Redskin. Read Tandlers blog for his thoughts on why it won't happen.
http://realredskins.com/

[Ax]

My brain is going into overdrive mode. :help:
I know it's hard for a lot of people, but spending time worrying about something that hasn't happened, and may never, is time taken away from things that have. Besides, we all sometime say, "what we would do if", only to change our mind once actually confronted with the situation.

Just let things happen, those that you can't control, and then deal with it the best you can, with all the available tools at your disposal. (i.e. gut-head-heart-wallet-etc)

[Yusuf06]

I'm a dog lover too. However I don't see any reason that Vick shouldn't be reinstated. He's served his time and he should be given ONE more chance.

With that said, I don't want him anywhere near the Redskins. Aside from the issues Tandler mentioned, there are two more compelling reasons why it's a horrible idea for this franchise in particular.

First, Snyder has a real problem keeping his distance from the players. This has been a well documented issue with Bruce Smith, Lavar, Portis and perhaps others. The dynamic that creates is a huge problem for team chemistry. For this reason, until Snyder learns to keep his distance certain types of star players are always going to be problematic for us. To further complicate this problem for this particular player, Vick already has a history of manipulating the owner in Atlanta and worse, lied to him and the commissioner immediately before the dog fighting story broke. Nice. :(

Of even greater concern than the above though, is the fact that we need to fix our QB situation for the long-term. If JC isn't the answer, we need to figure out if Colt, Chase or someone else is. Vick would come in and do what he always does, i.e. use his running skills to sell tickets and mask shortcomings in the OL and his very average skills passing the ball.

In the meantime, we'd know little or nothing of what we have in the two young guys, at least one of which has a decent shot at working out. If that happens, the young QB in question would be something we haven't had here in a long time-a legit, pure passer. If it happens, I want it to be with us, not someone else.

Vick? :stop:

[ntotoro]

I am just having major issues now as I love the Redskins and I do not know how I can support a team with him on it.

What the guy did was subhuman. He bred dogs for fighting & tortured and/or killed ones that didn't meet his "lofty" performance expectations or lost him money. He'd still be doing it today, had he not gone to jail in gambling charges. Something like 6-7 were killed by his hand alone.

If the Redskins ever signed this guy, I would be through. I'd part with every piece of merchandise I owned, plain and simple. As if Snyder hasn't done enough to chew on my nerves as it is, this would be the final blow. I don't get the whole underdog mentality (no pun intended) of people with this guy. It just makes no sense.

Now, from a performance perspective... you'd be looking at a guy with a 53% completion number who is two years away from the game playing in the WCO (not exactly his strong suit, as if he has one as a pocket QB) and a weak FO structure.

Just that alone, regardless the other mess, is reason to pass.

[Chris]

It doesn't look like you have to worry about it, Huly.

Cerrato has told Jason Reid twice (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/jason-reid/cerrato-says-no-on-vick.html?wprss=redskinsinsider) that the Skins aren't interested.

And although I agree with Yusuf that Vick deserves a second chance, I would not be surprised at all if he's not afforded one this year. If a team does sign him they are going to take a big PR hit and his inclusion on their roster will be a hot topic in every city they visit.

Only the Dallas Cowboys seem to relish that type of attention.

[skinsfan44]

I hope and pray that Vick does not become a Redskin, but for now I am going to take the "Wait and See" approach.

[CHUBAKAH]

I think it's funny how supposedly Vick has been seen in town, yet The Danny and Vinny are not in town.

Every "big name" in football goes on the market, and the Redskins are getting them.

Bla Bla Bla, yadda yadda yadda

I never put much stock in to Vick before he was a convicted felon as a Pure QB in the NFL, and I'm not convinced that he learned anything further while incarcerated.

All that aside, if I was polled on who was the better pure athlete Vick or Campbell, well IMHO that's a no brainer.

I'll give my 2cents on the move if and when it happens. Until then, I'd be blocking some people from text messaging.

[Huly]

Well since the Vick issue is still a rumor, I want to throw this out there. How would you handle it if the Redskins signed any player that you can not support? How do you support a team but NOT an individual player? Is that even possible?

Be it Vick, Ray Lewis, Dante Stallworth, Pacman Jones etc etc

[HapHaszard]

Huly, according to text message to WP from Cerrato its a definate NO on Vick

[CHUBAKAH]

Well since the Vick issue is still a rumor, I want to throw this out there. How would you handle it if the Redskins signed any player that you can not support? How do you support a team but NOT an individual player? Is that even possible?

Be it Vick, Ray Lewis, Dante Stallworth, Pacman Jones etc etc
Personally, I can think of a few players the Skins have right now I don't support. Not because they were convicted felons, but because I don't see how they make the team any better. Archuletta was an example of this a couple of years ago.

[HapHaszard]

Well since the Vick issue is still a rumor, I want to throw this out there. How would you handle it if the Redskins signed any player that you can not support? How do you support a team but NOT an individual player? Is that even possible?



You know one of our beloved players from the past wasn't exactly a person you would invite into your home if you knew much about him, drug addict, illiterate etc. I'm talking about Dexter Manley. He has cleaned up his life now from what I understand but his past life wasn't someone you would want to emulate and set before your children as an example. He still is well thought of from his actions on the field. How about him? How do you or did you feel about him once all the information came out?

[Huly]

Huly, according to text message to WP from Cerrato its a definate NO on Vick

Thank you! I hope so.

[beamish]

dexter's situation is different. he didn't hurt anyone or anything (animals), he destroyed himself.

[Huly]

You know one of our beloved players from the past wasn't exactly a person you would invite into your home if you knew much about him, drug addict, illiterate etc. I'm talking about Dexter Manley. He has cleaned up his life now from what I understand but his past life wasn't someone you would want to emulate and set before your children as an example. He still is well thought of from his actions on the field. How about him? How do you or did you feel about him once all the information came out?

I have never thought about that as I was not a Redskin fan when he played for the Redskins.

I am glad he changed his life around but I do not think I would like my child or myself supporting him when he was involved in this.

I am all for second chances and forgiveness if you realize what you did was wrong and you use that experience to help others. In my heart though I do not feel that Vick is there yet (just using him as an example).

[HapHaszard]

dexter's situation is different. he didn't hurt anyone or anything (animals), he destroyed himself.

Very true Beamish, and that is why I think he is still thought of as a true Redskin. The harm he caused was mostly to himself and not others.

[Ax]

dexter's situation is different. he didn't hurt anyone or anything (animals), he destroyed himself.
Exactly.

That said, I wanted him cut when his problems first began. It doesn't mean I ever rooted against him. And I'd never root against my team because of a player I didn't like. But if internet message boards were around then, I would have voted, "Cut Him", in the, "Dexter, Cut Him Or Keep Him?" thread.

The only player whose presence on this team made me ill, was Peion. I never wished him failure. I never wished him success. I wished him to ultimately go away, ASAP.

[Burl]

I was really upset with the Deion signing, but when he returned that punt in overtime against Tampa Bay I was up out of my seat cheering in FedEx like he was a lifelong Redskin.

I don't know if it would be same with Vick. I think he should be allowed back in, but I don't want him on my team. My wife does a lot of work with Greyhound Rescue and it makes me sick to think about what he did.

I'd like to think I could abandon the team until he's gone, but I know myself better than that. I'd probably get over it if we were to win with him, rationalizing that Vick is a changed man, paid his debt to society, learned his lesson, blah blah blah.

My hypocrisy knows no bounds when justifying what my team does. If Vick were to be signed by Dallas tomorrow, you better believe the Cowboys fans I know would hear about it. A lot.

[HapHaszard]

One thing I wonder about, is the amount of money players make these days, and the effect it has on them. Usually a young guy, probably not used to wealth, suddenly becoming very rich and able to do what he wants and afford it. Do you think this has anything to do with the antics that we are seeing more and more with players getting drunk, driving wild etc.

Look at Hainesworth, he was caught speeding in excess in Tennessee, and went out again and did the same thing, only this time caused an accident that resulted in someone getting injured seriously. Do you think he should be a Redskin, are you bothered that he is? Over in ES I don't think I heard anyone say much about it.

[Ax]

One thing I wonder about, is the amount of money players make these days, and the effect it has on them. Usually a young guy, probably not used to wealth, suddenly becoming very rich and able to do what he wants and afford it. Do you think this has anything to do with the antics that we are seeing more and more with players getting drunk, driving wild etc.

Look at Hainesworth, he was caught speeding in excess in Tennessee, and went out again and did the same thing, only this time caused an accident that resulted in someone getting injured seriously. Do you think he should be a Redskin, are you bothered that he is? Over in ES I don't think I heard anyone say much about it.

First off, I know plenty of people, dirt poor, who were just as capable as a wealthy athlete of doing something stupid. And have seen them be afforded just as many slaps on the wrist, not learned a damn thing, and went out and did it again. So, bottom line, anybody, is capable of, anything. Having deeper pockets only gets you a more expensive lawyer.

Intent, is what separates Vick from, say, Haynesworth. I don't imagine Albert thought, "Let me see if I can cause somebody to wreck their car, and hopefully hurt them really bad.

Vick, on the other hand, had to decide, do I want to strangle this ****ing dog to death, or electrocute the goddamn thing.

[HapHaszard]

Intent, is what separates Vick from, say, Haynesworth. I don't imagine Albert thought, "Let me see if I can cause somebody to wreck their car, and hopefully hurt them really bad.

Vick, on the other hand, had to decide, do I want to strangle this ****ing dog to death, or electrocute the goddamn thing.

People are responsible for their actions, good bad or otherwise, as for intent, Hainesworth as a result of his actions caused harm. Had he taken heed of his first incident he wouldn't have been speeding at 100+ mph on the interstate. He had to decide to get in the car and drive that fast. Stupid yes, but he did make a decision which anyone with any common sense should realize could cause an accident. I don't see much difference between Vick deciding to kill a dog, and Hainesworth deciding to ignore his probation from the previous incident and get in a car and drive like that.

[Neophyte]

Huly, according to text message to WP from Cerrato its a definate NO on Vick

No offense Hap but this is the same Vinny Cerrato who stood in front of reporters on the first or second day of camp last year and said the Skins were not interested in Jason Taylor. I'm not saying he is lying this time too but I won't completely believe it until Vick has a contract somewhere else.

Not that I think it likely, you understand, because I don't but...

[Ax]

I don't see much difference between Vick deciding to kill a dog, and Hainesworth deciding to ignore his probation from the previous incident and get in a car and drive like that.

I agree with what you were saying, until you get to the above statement.

I see a huge difference.

HUGE.

[Huly]

No offense Hap but this is the same Vinny Cerrato who stood in front of reporters on the first or second day of camp last year and said the Skins were not interested in Jason Taylor. I'm not saying he is lying this time too but I won't completely believe it until Vick has a contract somewhere else.

Not that I think it likely, you understand, because I don't but...

That is part of my fear and the other part is we all know the players are housed at Lansdowne and why would he be in Ashburn (the week of TC) and so close to Redskins Park if there was not something going on there.

[HapHaszard]

I agree with what you were saying, until you get to the above statement.

I see a huge difference.

HUGE.

I guess we will have to disagree, I love my dog, but if it were a choice between him and a person's life, I may hesitate but I'd choose the person, sorry but I place human life above that of an animal. Hainesworth choice could have resulted in a death rather than an injury.

[HapHaszard]

No offense Hap but this is the same Vinny Cerrato who stood in front of reporters on the first or second day of camp last year and said the Skins were not interested in Jason Taylor. I'm not saying he is lying this time too but I won't completely believe it until Vick has a contract somewhere else.

Not that I think it likely, you understand, because I don't but...

You know I totally forgot that incident. I guess that tells us how good Vinnie's word is. :(

[Huly]

I guess we will have to disagree, I love my dog, but if it were a choice between him and a person's life, I may hesitate but I'd choose the person, sorry but I place human life above that of an animal. Hainesworth choice could have resulted in a death rather than an injury.

I think the difference is this:

Hainesworth was not out to intentionally hurt someone. It was still an accident.

Vick intentionally murdered dogs.

I have been young and dumb and broke 100mph a few times just to see what my car could do but I would never even consider taking a life be it animal or human.

[HapHaszard]

I think the difference is this:

Hainesworth was not out to intentionally hurt someone. It was still an accident.

Vick intentionally murdered dogs.

I have been young and dumb and broke 100mph a few times just to see what my car could do but I would never even consider taking a life be it animal or human.

Huly,
I guess its because I drove for a living for 5 years after I retired from IBM. I have seen some very brutal accidents on the highway. I think the most horrible thing I ever saw was a car on fire with a 3 year old in it and we couldn't get close because of the heat, the result of an accident caused by someone driving at a very excessive speed weaving between lanes. We have all been young an dumb, but usually if we were caught we didn't go out and do it again. That is the point I'm making. Hainesworth made the choice to do so. If it was a first offense I doubt I would say a word about it.

[Huly]

Huly,
I guess its because I drove for a living for 5 years after I retired from IBM. I have seen some very brutal accidents on the highway. I think the most horrible thing I ever saw was a car on fire with a 3 year old in it and we couldn't get close because of the heat, the result of an accident caused by someone driving at a very excessive speed weaving between lanes. We have all been young an dumb, but usually if we were caught we didn't go out and do it again. That is the point I'm making. Hainesworth made the choice to do so. If it was a first offense I doubt I would say a word about it.

I agree 100% with it not being his first offense and seeing brutal wrecks. I assume I am more anti-dog fighting then most as I have had to put the dogs back together and I have seen it up close.

I was just using me as an example. Lucky for me nothing happened and I just received my first speeding ticket this year but as a kid with a hot rod I thought I was invincible.

[servumtuum]

I stated elsewhere my distaste for the idea of Vick being with the Skins; here's why. The nature of the posts in this thread show a level of emotional revulsion at Vick's history of animal cruelty which I share. The question to me is-how would his potential teammates feel if he were on the team? There is such a thing as team "chemistry", a feeling of "oneness", for lack of a better word-a sense of commonality of purpose, it's akin to being a member of a family. Lack of this is hurtful to a sports team of any kind and I believe that Vick's presence would be detrimental to the team on that level. His teammates may not speak of it publicly or may even try to put it out of their conscious minds but they're human beings and as such if they, as most people seem to be, are disgusted with a Vick's behavior, it will eventually show in team performance. That's also why I hinted that any team picking him up, either this year or next year, may be in for problems, if not immediately, then in the future.

As far as the Haynesworth speeding issue-I think the public perception, right or wrong, is that of car accidents being just that-accidents and animal cruelty is judged using a different set of standards. Speeding while driving, even recklessly, is something commonplace and done by so many people that it's simply accepted more easily than something like deliberate cruelty to animals. I believe this is why the speeding issue has received much less publicity and attention than Vick's treatment of his dogs.

[HapHaszard]

I agree 100% with it not being his first offense and seeing brutal wrecks. I assume I am more anti-dog fighting then most as I have had to put the dogs back together and I have seen it up close.

I was just using me as an example. Lucky for me nothing happened and I just received my first speeding ticket this year but as a kid with a hot rod I thought I was invincible.

Huly, I don't condone what Vick did, and I really would hate it if he were on our team. I know Hainesworth will make the team better on defense, but I am really not a fan of his. I was answering your question about what would we think if players like Stallworth were on the team, and I felt that Hainesworth was the same as Stallworth. Just a matter of degree. Somehow this has degenerated into me sounding like I was defending Vick which is not what I intended. I don't condone cruelty to animals not do I associate with people like that.

[riggins44]

I don't think the Skins will sign Vick. This would be a public relations nightmare first and foremost. Vick wants to play and Zorn says not doing Wildcat offense, so where would he fit? Would he be 3rd or 4th QB? I may be wearing burgundy colored glasses, but just don't see Vick as a Redskin.

[Miles Monroe]

I need advice from my B&G family. I received 18 text messages last night about rumors that Vick might become a Redskin. Well we all know how the rumor mill is around here but I am confused on how to approach this situation. As most of you know I am an animal rights activist. I work with the Humane Society and I am the Director of Adoptions for a Basset Hound Rescue based out of VA Beach. I am also an ex Vet Tech who has seen the consequences of dog fighting. The rescue I work with helped house some of the Beagles Vick used as bait dogs. Y’all also know I love my B&G and I am a true Redskin fan.

The thought of Vick being a Redskin turns my stomach. The pig headed side of me refuses to have anything to do with the team including going to games if they sign Vick. After some intense thought this morning I did have to realize that if his heart is pure and he realizes what he did was wrong and he is willing to help others not make the same mistakes he did that I need to give him a second chance and forgive him. I am battling my love for the Redskins and my beliefs with animal cruelty. I am confused and I need my B&G family’s thoughts on this situation and I am also asking my animal rescue group members their thoughts on this situation. Most of our members are Redskin fans and football fans so I assume they will be as confused as I am. :cry:

Without reading the replies to you, here's my thoughts. I don't care how much time the guy did, he abused defenseless animals, and I rank that just below rapists and child molesters. Decorum keeps me from stating what I would do with people like him. He can tell you all day long he's sorry, and heart is pure, but I don't buy it. He's a product of his environment, where given any night of the week, down some dark hollow you'll find a dog fighting ring. Hell, until unnamed Redskin players changed their statements, it seemed that they found it not so objectionable, as it's just a form of entertainment in the rural south.

I know it goes on all around the country, but it's more prevalent down here. I pray that this guy never even steps on our home field as an opponent, I despise him that much. It's not like he's the best thing to happen to the sport since the days of leather helmets. He's a carbuncle on the ass of pro football, and if by some odd chance he became a Redskin, I'll spend my time following another team till he's no longer with the Redskins.

[LizKauai]

It's not just about animals.
It's about the whole culture of people who will do anything for money. It's part of a dark side afflicting society that may have seemed like entertainment in the past but is something totally different now.

[Huly]

Hap- I never thought you condoned Vick. I know you better than that. :love: I was just explaining that even I have been young and dumb when it comes to driving reckless. I should know better also as my brother was killed in a car wrech at USAFA when I was 12 and he was 21. There is just something in the genes of young people that make them think they are superman and do anything and everything without hurting themself or others.

Miles- It is an issue across the US. I am from the deep south as I grew up in SC. Some view it as a sport and an ego boost as my dog is better than your dog.

It is interesting to see different views on how our fans would accept a player that goes against our values as a person. So many fans support players and teams no matter what they stand for in life.

[Ax]

Hap- I never thought you condoned Vick. I know you better than that. :love: I was just explaining that even I have been young and dumb when it comes to driving reckless. I should know better also as my brother was killed in a car wrech at USAFA when I was 12 and he was 21. There is just something in the genes of young people that make them think they are superman and do anything and everything without hurting themself or others.
Yeah Hap, I share Huly's sentiments as well.

[BAFGA]

Even after all of the statements by the FO stating that they do not want Vick, people are still linking Vick to the Redskins. I really don't think Snyder wants to jeopardize any of his STH or fanbase by signing this guy. I just don't think they can handle the backlash that would come with Vick.

There are some guys with questionable character playing in the league, but I think Vick has caused the most uproar probably on the level with OJ Simpson. I hope that the Redskins don't sign him.

[Bulldog's Twin]

I have no inside information. But here is my guess:

1. Jim Zorn has 2009 to prove himself to Snyder. His future and Campbell's are linked as both will either be back or be sent packing after the season.

2. If Zorn stays it will be because Campbell develops and performs. If he leaves, I think the Redskins will look to hire Mike Shanahan and he will come in and want to acquire his own quarterback.

So, because no one that is acquired now has enough time to learn the system the team won't add anyone else at qb for 2009.

And Snyder won't commit resources to Vick or anyone else on a multi-year deal for 2010 or beyond so as not to hamstring a Shanahan or Mike Holmgren.

It would make the most sense for Vick to be reunited with Jim Mora Jr. in Seattle.

Hasselbeck is 34 years old and has a recent injury history. Seneca Wallace doesn't look like the future. Vick can come in, be the backup in 2009 and perhaps push for a starting job in 2010 with a coach he trusts and who trusts him.

[HapHaszard]

There have been several articles in the media where they are now quoting Zorn as saying the Redskins are not interested in Vick. I am starting to feel a bit better about it now.

[Boone]

There have been several articles in the media where they are now quoting Zorn as saying the Redskins are not interested in Vick. I am starting to feel a bit better about it now.


I just posted the official transcript of Zorn's comments today, addressing the Vick question again.

[Lanky Livingston]

Okay, anyone at training camp please punch this idiot in the face. :)

http://twitpic.com/c4icp

[Aston Gambino]

Okay, anyone at training camp please punch this idiot in the face. :)

http://twitpic.com/c4icp

I think the taped number on his shirt might be more offensive than the sign.