So....Can I come back? And stay this time? :)

[honorary_hog]

Like a lot of BGO membership, I spent a number of years over at ES. I found it to be a one-stop shop for every bit of information I needed to get through my day; Redskins or otherwise.

I also found an intense sense of community, which I frequently described (accurately at the time, IMO) as "family."

But that sense is gone. It's been replaced by anger, insult, frustration, and hostility. There are very few rational discussions there anymore. They've been replaced by excessive wingnutism, a complete failure to consider the other poster's point of view, and personal attacks.

ES has been a cyclical beast over the years, and I hope for their sake, their current cycle will end sooner, rather than later.

But it's no longer the place for me. I should have realized that when the people I respected most on ES started this place, and many of the posters who have my respect came over here as well, that the net result wasn't going to be positive for ES. I nosed around over here a little bit, but missed the opportunity to have running discussions about topics because BGO's membership was just getting off the ground.

I should have been more patient. I should have helped grow BGO. I should have offered my support to Mark and to John, and to the rest of this merry band. I've come to regret not doing so, and would like to humbly request that I be allowed to join the "cool kids" permanently.

I feel like something of a prodigal Skin. Not literally of course, but in terms of my message board membership, I knew where I belonged. I just had to fall flat on my face before realizing that. (And no, they didn't ban me, so this isn't a measure taken out of necessity. I know someone was gonna ask. :) )

I hope y'all won't mind a well-meaning prodigal son returning. Just promise me you won't slay the fatted hog.

HTTR/HTST,
HH

[Neophyte]

Man, no worries at all about any of that stuff. Be welcome.

[honorary_hog]

Man, no worries at all about any of that stuff. Be welcome.

Thanks, man. 'Preciate that. :cheers:

[Om]

We've said it before (http://www.bgobsession.com/showthread.php?t=382), we'll say it again ...

In addition to providing an outlet for burgundy and gold obsessions, we are committed to three basic principles:

1. Providing a comprehensive, satisfying experience for fans of the Washington Redskins.

2. Fostering and encouraging a sense of community and tone of mutual respect.

3. Giving our members good old-fashioned customer service.

BGO was created for Redskins fans who appreciate adult sensibilities like common sense, reason, and the fact that passion and civility need not be mutually exclusive. We are Redskins fans—loud , proud and unapologetic. We are also grownups. If that combination appeals to you, we cordially invite you to consider BGO as home to your burgundy and gold obsession.

It will be our honor to serve you.

Hail.
Couple more thoughts ... not directed at HH or anyone in particular but the interweb at large:

The guys who built this place all happen to share a common ES bond. It was and to varying degrees remains a part of our lives ... and we all have definite opinions about what it was, what it became, why, and what our relationship with it will be going forward. What we really do not want to do is forge an adversarial relationship (and that is true not just in regard to ES, but any and all other Redskins community sites out there). We have a lot of great memories and great friends there, and forming BGO was not about "replacing" ES or any other site, it was about offering an alternative.

I still go to ES on a regular basis ... it remains the only place on the web you can get Redskins news before it happens. ;) And there are still a lot of very knowledgeable, passionate and delightful people posting there. We just wanted to create a slightly less frantic, less adversarial, more level-headed alternative for fans to whom that kind of atmosphere is important.

We also want to reiterate that BGO is not simply ES Redux. We openly welcome any and all Redskins fans (and even fans not so fortunate as to root for the burgundy and gold) interested in what we're offering ... be they vets and forum leaders from existing sites, free agents who frequent a number of them, or people who may not have ever joined a community site before.

We're kind of like America ... aren't many of us who can truly claim to be "natives" ... we've pretty much all come from somewhere else. :)

What drew me into the web 10 years ago was finding ES in its early days, but it wasn't about the name at the top of the page. It was about the people I found there, the intelligence and passion, the sense that I'd stumbled on a place that was somehow "different" from what I'd always thought the web and "chat rooms" and "message boards" were all about.

If anyone who stumbles in our doors feels BGO offers even a taste of that ... consider jumping in and helping us see if we're kidding ourselves in the belief that you really can build a better mousetrap ... and do it without demeaning the competition.

Sorry to get all preachy. I do that sometimes ...

[Lanky Livingston]

You know I was keeping your seat warm brotha.

[Boone]

Great to have you here - always - HH. And what Om said. Every messageboard has a culture all it's own. And it's not a static thing. In my mind, it's something to be nurtured, protected, encouraged. That's our primary goal here is quality. Guys and gals of your caliber are what help us keep this ship pointed in the direction of the beautiful open seas and away from those rocks.

Glad to see you here :cheers:

[Sarge]

Like a lot of BGO membership, I spent a number of years over at ES. I found it to be a one-stop shop for every bit of information I needed to get through my day; Redskins or otherwise.

I also found an intense sense of community, which I frequently described (accurately at the time, IMO) as "family."

But that sense is gone. It's been replaced by anger, insult, frustration, and hostility. There are very few rational discussions there anymore. They've been replaced by excessive wingnutism, a complete failure to consider the other poster's point of view, and personal attacks.

ES has been a cyclical beast over the years, and I hope for their sake, their current cycle will end sooner, rather than later.

But it's no longer the place for me. I should have realized that when the people I respected most on ES started this place, and many of the posters who have my respect came over here as well, that the net result wasn't going to be positive for ES. I nosed around over here a little bit, but missed the opportunity to have running discussions about topics because BGO's membership was just getting off the ground.

I should have been more patient. I should have helped grow BGO. I should have offered my support to Mark and to John, and to the rest of this merry band. I've come to regret not doing so, and would like to humbly request that I be allowed to join the "cool kids" permanently.

I feel like something of a prodigal Skin. Not literally of course, but in terms of my message board membership, I knew where I belonged. I just had to fall flat on my face before realizing that. (And no, they didn't ban me, so this isn't a measure taken out of necessity. I know someone was gonna ask. :) )

I hope y'all won't mind a well-meaning prodigal son returning. Just promise me you won't slay the fatted hog.

HTTR/HTST,
HH

It's going on two years since I was banished so remind me..............

Are you a commie?:laugh:


Good to see ya

[honorary_hog]

Not a commie, Sarge. I'm definitely to the left of you, but then again, who isn't? :cool4:

And as far as my comments about ES go, it wasn't my intent to put them down, or to create any hard feelings. It's just become something that doesn't suit me, personally, the way it used to. There are 90,000 people who disagree with me though, so they must be doing something right.

Going forward, I'll keep my thoughts on ES to myself. Skins fans are Skins fans, regardless of what outlet we choose to express that. Sorry if what I said earlier came out the wrong way.

Anyway, thanks to all for the kind welcome. I look forward to reconnecting with some old friends, and making plenty of new ones. Good to be here.

[Om]

Just to be clear, HH, my comments were not a dig or "admonition" on you at all. That "other site" is simply a subject that has come up a few times given many of us have some history there ... and as a site we've kind of adopted a live and let live approach to the question. You aren't the first or last who will bring up other sites here ... and that's cool. We're just committed to the staying on the high road ... or at least as much as possible given we're all just a bunch of internet geek fanboys at heart. :)

[honorary_hog]

Just to be clear, HH, my comments were not a dig or "admonition" on you at all. That "other site" is simply a subject that has come up a few times given many of us have some history there ... and as a site we've kind of adopted a live and let live approach to the question. You aren't the first or last who will bring up other sites here ... and that's cool. We're just committed to the staying on the high road ... or at least as much as possible given we're all just a bunch of internet geek fanboys at heart. :)

Understood, my friend. You made yourself perfectly clear, and I certainly took no offense. :cheers:

I think that once I've spent a little more time here, I'll have a better feel for things. And I'll try to mostly read until that point. I do have to say that from what I've seen so far, your goal of quality posts is being met. I've really enjoyed what I've seen so far.

[Boone]

Good to hear...but you certainly don't need to 'restrain' yourself. Post away brother. We know who you are :)

Let us know if you have any questions about BGO, or if there is anything we can do to make it more enjoyable :cheers:

[honorary_hog]

Good to hear...but you certainly don't need to 'restrain' yourself. Post away brother. We know who you are :)

Let us know if you have any questions about BGO, or if there is anything we can do to make it more enjoyable :cheers:

Much appreciated.

I, uh, I could use a beer. A home-brew, not that cheap stuff. :)

[redskins26]

If you have enough money we will let you stay

[MikeSr619]

aaaah...the good ol boys are startin to pile in.

next thing you know we'll have nascar threads and all.

[Elephant]

aaaah...the good ol boys are startin to pile in.

next thing you know we'll have nascar threads and all.

So we can all cheer on JGR even though they drive them there foreign cars!

[MikeSr619]

i cant stand joe gibbs. i tell everyone "you wanna talk football ill praise gibbs all day but if you talk nascar he is one of my most hated"

and thanks for making me sad..i owe you brian =P

[honorary_hog]

Easy, Mike. You can't stand JGR, and neither can I. But the man himself?

[Lanky Livingston]

Okay, you're allowed back, but enough of this Nascar talk.

http://6.media.bustedtees.com/bustedtees/mf/2/7/bustedtees.d16765f225456fb9e7a87d47641fb960.jpg

;)

[honorary_hog]

Off topic, post.

This thread is about me, *****. :moon:

[redskins26]

Off topic, post.

This thread is about me, *****. :moon:

Everything always has to be about you :cry:

[honorary_hog]

"redskins26 has not made any friends yet"

I'm shocked. :laugh:

[MikeSr619]

Easy, Mike. You can't stand JGR, and neither can I. But the man himself?

who said the man himself?

[honorary_hog]

i cant stand joe gibbs.

I feel really bad having to quote you, knowing that you'll be instantly disowned by anyone with half a brain. But you did ask.

As for me (not having half a brain) I'm going to give you a chance to explain what in the name of all that is good and holy you were talking about, and THEN disown you. :)

[Goaldeje]

HH, good to have you back, friend. This place is a lot of fun, and like OM says, so is ES at times.

This is now the first place I check though.

:)

[Lanky Livingston]

ES is blocked at work, so I rarely go there anymore. Plus, even if this place gets blocked, you have the nifty mobile app I can always check, whereas ES doesn't. Still a winner! :)

[honorary_hog]

HH, good to have you back, friend. This place is a lot of fun, and like OM says, so is ES at times.

This is now the first place I check though.

:)

Thanks, man. I appreciate it.

And yeah, I'll probably post at "that other site" (see, I'm learning, lol) again sometime. But when I get to my comp now, it's a quick check of FB, check my email, and then come here to see what's new.

The content here is really impressive, and I've just barely scratched the surface. It's starting to feel like home. But I promise, no walking around in my boxers. :)

[Elephant]

i cant stand joe gibbs. i tell everyone "you wanna talk football ill praise gibbs all day but if you talk nascar he is one of my most hated"

and thanks for making me sad..i owe you brian =P

So I guess you will be rooting for Tony Romo to make the U.S. Open this week? :instigate:

[MikeSr619]

I feel really bad having to quote you, knowing that you'll be instantly disowned by anyone with half a brain. But you did ask.

As for me (not having half a brain) I'm going to give you a chance to explain what in the name of all that is good and holy you were talking about, and THEN disown you. :)

you knew what i meant sucka. i cant stand joe gibbs the nascar owner and think he is singlehandedly ruining the sport that i love by pushing for foreign cars to be involved.

So I guess you will be rooting for Tony Romo to make the U.S. Open this week? :instigate:

i keel you!!

[Elephant]

... he is singlehandedly ruining the sport that i love by pushing for foreign cars to be involved.



Well Kyle Bush and Denny Hamlin keep on winning because the gas pedal in them Toyotas are sticking. :movefast:

[MikeSr619]

Well Kyle Bush and Denny Hamlin keep on winning because the gas pedal in them Toyotas are sticking. :movefast:

oh ye of ignorant knowledge lol

toyota is dominating because of the spoiler...before they were being crushed AND

AND

AAAAAAAAAAND!!

they already have more horsepower then everyone else.

[Elephant]

oh ye of ignorant knowledge lol

toyota is dominating because of the spoiler...before they were being crushed AND

AND

AAAAAAAAAAND!!

they already have more horsepower then everyone else.

To be honest this is the first season in a while I have not had the chance to keep up with it. My love for this country and loyalty to purchase as much American made product as I can makes it difficult, but since Joe Gibbs is one of my all-time heroes I have accepted that he runs foreign made vehicles.

Denny, Kyle and Joey! I do like Carl Edwards and Matt Kenseth but no Chevy's baby! Unless of course Gibbs runs a Chevy. LOL!

Edit: That's it! I am heading over to the 5 O'clock Club to start a NASCAR thread. Jamie, you coming along?

[Lanky Livingston]

**** and no. I like you guys, but not that much. ;)

[honorary_hog]

**** and no. I like you guys, but not that much. ;)

Awesome. I've found that I really enjoy BGO; but you? Not so much.

Now I can be on BGO and without you at the same time. That's like winning the SB at Jerryworld. :)

[Lanky Livingston]

Awesome. I've found that I really enjoy BGO; but you? Not so much.

Now I can be on BGO and without you at the same time. That's like winning the SB at Jerryworld. :)

That sounds like a win-win for everyone, brother! ;)

[Lanky Livingston]

Awesome. I've found that I really enjoy BGO; but you? Not so much.

Now I can be on BGO and without you at the same time. That's like winning the SB at Jerryworld. :)

And I take back keeping your seat warm. SEAT'S TAKEN!

[redskins26]

"redskins26 has not made any friends yet"

I'm shocked. :laugh:

Hey ive only been on here since breakfeats :square:

[Slacky]

aaaah...the good ol boys are startin to pile in.

next thing you know we'll have nascar threads and all.

Count me in with HH in hoping that I will be welcome back to BGO and be able to call this the new home of Slacky McSlackAss

[honorary_hog]

Count me in with HH in hoping that I will be welcome back to BGO and be able to call this the new home of Slacky McSlackAss

My boy. :cheers:

I don't know about the rest of these guys. But any home of mine is a home of yours. And if they kick you out (which I HIGHLY doubt) I'll pack my bags too in a show of solidarity. :bucktooth:

This place is what I would build, if I had the smarts to build a site, and the discretion to pick its membership.

I admit, I did post once on that other site today, but it was my first in four days. Kinda like sneaking a cig when you're trying to quit, I guess. :doh:

[MikeSr619]

as long as I get the health benefits (staring at boob thread), the perks (homemade beer thread) and the jokes (HH in the nascar thread) I am here to stay.

[honorary_hog]

as long as I get the health benefits (staring at boob thread), the perks (homemade beer thread) and the jokes (HH in the nascar thread) I am here to stay.

me me me me me....

*ahem*

Kumbaya, my Lord! Kumbaya!
Kumbaya, my Lord! Kumbaya!

:)

[Burgundy Burner]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B667gU-EUhA

[honorary_hog]

Mr. Burner. Tis an honor and a privilege sir. (Even though I'm only saying that to avoid attending your funeral, and receiving my two, permanent injuries.) :)

*inside joke folks, nuttin but love here for this guy*

[Burgundy Burner]

is that your latest mug in the letter "m"?

[honorary_hog]

um.....what?

[MikeSr619]

the buffalo..

looks like YOU FACE!!

YOU TUTANKA FACE!!

[honorary_hog]

the buffalo..

looks like YOU FACE!!

YOU TUTANKA FACE!!

Oh, oh, oh.....Never been this slow on the uptake whilst sober.

And no Ken, that's not me. Just another one of my many teams that suck ballz. :tantrum:

[Burgundy Burner]

ok, i was just wondering. wasn't sure though.

mike must be reading that wsj article and realizing that i was right again.

:D

[honorary_hog]

ok, i was just wondering. wasn't sure though.

mike must be reading that wsj article and realizing that i was right again.

:D

Probably.

But I remain right on the release of official HP numbers too. :)

Must suck to always be wrong. Poor Mikey.

[Burgundy Burner]

dang, he left.

anyway...

i have a craving for popcorn. yeah, like i can get up and go make some. sheeesh. i could wake up the hired help, but popping some corn is probably not too high on the list of things to do.

temp outside is down to 52 - love me some natural ac.

[honorary_hog]

temp outside is down to 52 - love me some natural ac.

Nothing wrong with that at all...and approaching mid-June no less.

Oh well. If Mike's heading out, I guess I will too. No reason to stick around and chat with people I agree with. :laugh:

Have a great night...errr....morning, BGO. Until tomorrow....errr....today. :)

[MikeSr619]

ok, youve overstayed your welcome.

GET OUT!!

[honorary_hog]

ok, youve overstayed your welcome.

GET OUT!!

Mike, if I left every place that I'd ever overstayed my welcome, I wouldn't be able to find ANYWHERE to go. :laugh:

[skinsfan44]

Welcome home, Jason.

I too need to be on here more then I have in the past, so y'all will be seeing a lot more of me for now on.

I also feel the same way about ES.

I have been there since just about the beginning and it is not the same anymore. I pretty much go there now just for the ES/RR tailgate party threads.

[honorary_hog]

Welcome home, Jason.

I too need to be on here more then I have in the past, so y'all will be seeing a lot more of me for now on.

I also feel the same way about ES.

I have been there since just about the beginning and it is not the same anymore. I pretty much go there now just for the ES/RR tailgate party threads.

Thanks, Dave. I appreciate it very much. And anytime I get to see more of you (and that lovely wife of yours) the better; be it here, or anywhere else!

I hope you guys are well, and I hope even more to see you both very soon!!!

[z0eboy]

wuts up guys!

[honorary_hog]

wuts up guys!

z0000000000000eeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(Best hog call I can do, whilst using part of your screen name.) :)

[honorary_hog]

Awesomeness! I have a BG Overdrive post now! Thanks guys! :cheers:

[z0eboy]

I like this board... everyone feel free to send me friend invite.... ES doesn't like me

[Blondie]

Hey HH.

Hope life is treating you kindly

[honorary_hog]

Hey HH.

Hope life is treating you kindly

Well, thank you very much, B!

I hope life is being good to you as well, and hopefully I'll see you later this year!

[SkinsOrlando]

Holy crikeys Batman, look at all these names I know :)

[z0eboy]

Skins!!!!!! Umm ES rite??? :anonymous:

[SkinsOrlando]

Yes it's me good ol SO, whats good !!

[z0eboy]

Chillin su casa mi casa.... i think thats make urself at home in espanol??? :help:

[SkinsOrlando]

Mi casa su casa is the correct order but hell I don't even attempt Spanish lol :clap2:

[Lump Beefrock]

Yeah over there at ES I felt like a raindrop in a river. I still lurk it out for news and tweets and what not but I like the discussion over here.... which is the entire point of a message board.

[CHUBAKAH]

I'd just like to say, I like Steak!

[keeastman]

HH - You know you are always welcome here!! I don't come here near enough, but this is the most welcoming Redskins site ever. It's always nice to see so many familiar, sane and logical posters here :D

[honorary_hog]

HH - You know you are always welcome here!! I don't come here near enough, but this is the most welcoming Redskins site ever. It's always nice to see so many familiar, sane and logical posters here :D

Nuttin' but love for you, K! Great to see you here! I was just on my way to the bar. What can I get you? :cheers:

[SonOfWashington]

Oh man, how did I end up here...

This isn't where I parked my car...

[honorary_hog]

Oh man, how did I end up here...

This isn't where I parked my car...

Now it's a party!! :cheers:

[SC_RedskinsFan]

Now it's a party!! :cheers:


Don't start the party with out me! :cheers: